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    We are testing a replica 1887 12ga
    levergun. Has 2 3/4 inch chamber.
    Forged heat treated action. Nice gun.Cases
    are cut back to 2.45 inches, the same length as plastic cases
    crimped.That allows feeding from magazine.
    First testing got 600 gr over 1600 in short barrel. Here is
    picture. Ed


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    Thats good Ed,those actions will take a lot of back pressure

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    Charger- Yep and everyone here just loves the style of
    the 1887. To use brass cases and feed from magazine we cut cases back to 2.45 inches, same length as 2 3/4 plastic cases
    when they are loaded and crimped. Still can get good power.Some have reported that longer brass cases
    feed from mag on old original 87s but I don't know how yet. Going to work on it.Probably will rig up another
    one with long barrel, I don't like short barrels.Ed
    Last edited by hubel458; 09-07-2006 at 11:13 PM.

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    I just read this through and all I have to say is ,Holy smack'n arseholes !!!
    That looks like just more fun than you will be allowed without having to pay for it . I have given thought to the design of heavy 12 bore shooters before but my shoulder sterts to hurt and I stop , congrats for seeing it through . To the people who say what is the NEED of developing this firepower for , well since when has NEED ever had anything to do with getting a bigger , faster gun !!!!!!
    I will definately be following this , I knoiw I have an action here someplace that just needs to be reworked into one of these thumpers . Now to just find a Moose !!!

    TCF

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    Friends All......At the risk of being accused of hawking a product, I must say that the slug/bullets in Ed's and my products are cast Boolits........albeit rather large ones!
    There is a fast growing interest in ultra large slug/bullets in both smoothbore and rifled shotgun bore size. It really is nothing new, since the Brits used about the same as Dixie's in Africa and India.
    Today's reloader can put together some pretty impressive rounds, if they stay with the Brit's concept.......instead of getting carried away with sabot rounds.
    Even a full bore size .715" round ball, cast hard and heat treated, will take most game in the world......as the Brits proved. Velocity can be run very high in a smoothbore with allowable pressure! Accuracy with a ball that fits the bore will surprise many and can be great within normal hunting didtances.
    Ed has raised the bar up high when it comes to shotgun bores! Some will ask why? The answer is simple to me, it was there to do!
    Where Ed like the 12 bore lever gun, Dixie like the All American Pump Gun and single shots......the basic Remington 870 Express with a Hastings 20" rifled barrel and the NEF Ultras. These are plain "Meat and Potato Guns"!
    Best Regards, James@Dixie Slugs
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    As I tell guys here tied to shotgun only deer hunting
    a heavier blunt slug with the **** behind it will
    get you good 150-200 yd shooting, but being blunt
    loses long range velocity so as not to be the real
    long range danger to homes, cars, livestock,other hunters in
    built up areas. And those slugs make good kills on
    big game like deer, hogs, bear,
    being a harder slug than old stuff used to be.Ed.

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    I lived in Ohio for spell. It's a shotgun only for deer season. Boy and I just hate shotguns except for rabbit hunting. Anyways I bought me an TC inline and that solved the shotgun only hunting just as well as a 30-06 could have in my opinion. Elsewhere in the forum I mentioned a single shot H&R rifled 20 gauge slug gun that I scoped and made special copper jacketed slugs for. I'll bet it was pretty close performance wise to the slugs you speak of.

    Joe

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    Since a great deal of the good folks here load their own 12 gauge slugs, I would like to say that the Lee Key Slug (437.5 grs), cast from WW and heat treated, loaded in a Federal 12S3 wad (with one 20 ga nitro wad in the plastic wad under the sluf)......loaded with AA5......will by far surpass the common lead Foster slug.
    As for 20 gauge/bore......why shoot an undersize pistol bullet in a sabot, when there are full bore .625"-500 grs solids@1450'/" available? The NEF Ultras in 20 gauge/bore guns are setting new standards as far as what to expect for a 20! In fact, the mentioned load is more powerful than the original military load in the .45-70.
    It's all how people perceives things.....put that menetioned load in a brass cases, and they would call it a buffalo/bif game load!
    As I have said many times, " Put a rifled barrel on a shotgun and you have an ultra bore rifle on a shotgun frame!"
    Reloaders that like to cast their own boolits, should get a Lee mold and do some testing........Regards, James@Dixie Slugs
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    ALmost 30 years ago I was given one of the old Lee Loaders. I did some experimenting loading 2.25oz steel ball bearings that would just barely fit inside a 12ga Remington Power Piston.
    Luckily I was shooting them from a 3" magnum chamber.
    Recoil was excessive.
    Trajectory was considerable.
    But at 25 yards it would penetrate two bales of hay wall AND a concrete block garage wall.

    Don't ask me how I know this.

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    Wonderful! That brings back memories of our clay drain pipe mortar, blackpowder, and green oranges. We would bury part of the pipe in the sand and get about three shots before the pipe cracked. We got our butts whipped because the green oranges were coming down out of the sky onto the grove pickers!
    It's a wonder we all grew up......or got old!
    Regards, James@Dixie Slugs
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    Yikes! I just realized that it was OVER 30 years ago when that happened.
    Where did my life go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Slugs
    Wonderful! That brings back memories of our clay drain pipe mortar, blackpowder, and green oranges. We would bury part of the pipe in the sand and get about three shots before the pipe cracked. We got our butts whipped because the green oranges were coming down out of the sky onto the grove pickers!
    It's a wonder we all grew up......or got old!
    Regards, James@Dixie Slugs

    Ya we was doin the same thing here with potatoes. lobbing them over the highway. Funny how it only took one mile high spud landing on the hood of one 1974 monte carlo to through a wrench into the thing....Some folk will whine over the smallest things

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    For us it was the trebuchet we built in 1967 to hurl showballs.

    Who knew we could actually clear the treeline between us and the highway?

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    I think mine was the gun my cousin and I built that fired model rocket engines !!!!

    O.K. maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if we haden't stuffed the front with homemade BP that went off when the charge that was supposed to blow out the parachute ignited!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluesBear
    For us it was the trebuchet we built in 1967 to hurl showballs.

    Who knew we could actually clear the treeline between us and the highway?
    Bluesbear, you have once more re-ignited a project in me. The neighbors better look out! I imagine one, built from springy lodgepole pine, should get some serious range! Only problem is, how am I going to check velocity with the chrony, and what lube should I use? Wish I would have made one thirty years ago, when I lived in the midwest. Those old hedge apples, would have been formidible projectiles!

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    I had a friend who did the model rocket thing.
    Aafter a few firings and retrievals they'd get to looking kind of ratty.
    That's when we'd load a cherry bomb cluster in place of the 'chute!

    Really awsome on a two-stager!

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    Excellent! We kinda got off track on ED's post........But it sure shows that we are all form the same "Tribe"......Regards to All, James
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    Question

    Yeah, sorry for the thread drift.

    I received one of the Interstate 1887 replica shotguns as a birthday gift.
    It is one stout sonovagun. Built like a tank.

    I have read in magazines as well as the Coyote Cap site about how strong these actions are. I was thinking of having mine rechambered to 3" or even 3".
    The longer shells may not feed but single loading them would be no problem.
    Besides the extra chamber length would make standard buckshot a little softer shooting.

    And I've been wondering if the '97 trenchgun handguard would fit?





    Hubel458,
    I'm very interested in some of those converted .50BMG 12 gauge casings.
    What's the price for complete full length cases setup for large pistol/rifle primers?
    Last edited by BluesBear; 09-11-2006 at 05:16 PM.

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    I plan on putting long heavy barrel on one also and use
    our full length 3.85 in case. Make my own chamber as I
    did on Savage.Will go singleshot and fill mag with weight, put on stronger stock and big pad.I only have
    a few cases to part with and if a heavier v-spring
    for hammer can be found it may be possible
    for me to do it using bmg
    primers. I don't have the time to change cases to
    smaller primers. But I can tell you how change them over.
    I hope to have a big bunch of rim pieces so others
    can get them and make cases themselves. And like
    I say I can tell them how to change primer.But
    it a bunch of work.

    Now I understand that Rocky Mtn does make 3.5 inch cases
    for about 6 bucks each, with shotgun primers
    and thick bases. And Shotgun primers are little stronger
    than large rifle primers . Rocky Mtn cases will go too
    35,000 psi ok, giving you all the recoil in 3.5 in case
    you can stand.And 35,000 should be the top
    regular working load for 87 with heavy barrel.
    That's what I recommend.

    I get 10 bucks for mine with
    bmg primers, a slug, and shipping. Ed.
    Last edited by hubel458; 09-16-2006 at 03:02 AM.

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    I got Rocky Mtn turned 12ga cases, and am
    developing loads. They are 2 7/8 inches
    long are for use in NEF and shortened
    in 1887. These cases have shotgun
    primers. Now these cases with shotgun primers and the two cases of ours we put small primers in don't fire the slow rifle powder loads
    reliably,like cases with bmg primers.
    Our testing is with 600 hardened Dixie slugs.
    So I have and am testing slow shotgun powder and fast rifle.I tested 5 shotgun powders and
    the primers fires then ok but the quick peak pressure when loads increased to get velocity
    wanted in NEF caused too much case expansion just ahead of the base.Cases ejected ok but
    that expansion and resizing will ruin cases
    in a couple shots.These cases have a real thick base, and are machined to glass smooth finish.Nice cases.
    I now testing AA1680 Ball and it looks good.
    Have got loads up to 105 gr with 2 wads in
    the Rocky Mtn case, and only .002 expansion
    of case ahead of base. Will chrono next and
    expect it to get velocity we want in NEF.
    Nice thing about this testing is that same loads will work in shortened 87 case by just
    using less wad column.Ed

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
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LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check