NOE clone of British Mk1 service bullet is what you want. I ordered the .363-204RN because I wanted to feed a Webley & Scott Mk4 and two Victory S&Ws. It tolerates being sized to .358 for the .38 Specials, but you can also order the mold in smaller .360 or .358 diameters.Originally Posted by Kosh75287
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I had always thought the 195 grainer would be a great excuse for a yawning wide "manstopper" style hollow point approaching the geometry of a HPWC. But then I experimented with HPWC's and decided that 195 was too heavy to get the velocity for reliable expansion except with .357Magnum level loading. But, hey, convert it to a HPWC and you'd shed some weight so yeah, it would be just right. Could surely be better than how reversing #358395 turned out.
Good Cheer -- I'm thinking the same thing. Maybe we need a fresh thread -- something like Bullet Expansion at "Leisurely" Velocities.
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Oh my, you've given me an idea.
#358430 could be given a Shai Hulud style hollow point. And with a shorter flat plug in the same hole you'd have heavier WFN plain base rifle boolits.
Never heard of Shai Hulud hollow points, but I think the .38 snubby has the most to gain from them.
In the mid-1930s, Hatcher listed the Super Police load at 625 f/s from a snubby. If that bullet could be induced to mushroom to 0.50", the mathematical models predict about 17" of penetration and 38 grams of effective wound mass.
For comparison, Brassfetcher's snubby testing showed 135 grain short barrel Gold Dots with a velocity of 860 ft/s expanding to 0.53" and penetrating to about 12". Effective wound mass would only be about 28 grams.
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Here's the first batch of 200 grainers out of an adjustable weight HPWC mould a shooting buddy cooked up for me:
Hatcher lists the original .38 Special Super Police load at 623 f/s from a 2" barrel. Starting there and working toward expansion between 0.40" and 0.48" should give FBI-compliant penetration and maximize wound mass.
I hope to get some testing done this week.
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Western powders has load data for 230 grain 38 special & 357.
Penn bullets also has data.
That HPWC is really cool........
3.0 grains of Bulls Eye will propel the Accurate 36-193D at 585 fps, from my little one pound, 1 7/8" barreled S&W M37.
Cool, yes. But 200 grains appears to be a bit too heavy. Here are the results from last week's Snubbyfest:
From a 2-3/4" Ruger Speed-Six, the shots through four layers of denim performed as I had hoped. But from my 442, they yawed before hitting the target, failed to expand, swapped ends and penetrated less than 12" in the gello. Not good. Next trip, I'll try less lead and more powder.
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Sounds like a good deer load..
Might even be better out of a rifle..
keep on rolling along.no matter what happens just keep rolling
Has anyone tried a heavy bullet, British military style round from a Terrier (38 S&W)? I’m thinking it might be too much of a good thing, but would certainly give the little Terrier som serious street cred!
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Yes! I got good results with NOE 363-204RN with 2.1 grains of Bullseye for 550 fps.
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Just to be sure. You got those results from a short barrel (snub) Terrier, right? How was the recoil? Did you have any indication you might be overworking that little I (or J) frame? My application would be a pre War I frame Terrier which is of course minimal in size, weight, and overall strength for any 38.
Thanks for your response,
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Yes. Also worked well in a1937 Colt Banker's Special. Recoil and velocity similar to pre-WW2 WRA Super Police which I also tested. Velocity 620 fps in 4" Colt Police Positive in .38 NP.
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Thank you very much, Outpost 75. I had been hesitant to fire that heavy a bullet in that lightweight a gun. I know it’s an all steel frame, but there’s just so little of it! I really appreciate your definitive information. I had considered selling off the little Terrier in favor of my 38 Spl Chiefs Specials, but I think I’ll play with it a bit longer.
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