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    Surplus Powder sources

    Hi all,
    I was thinking that we could try to make a fairly comprehensive list of suppliers and the powders they carry. I'll start out with 3 of them. If you know of other places to get it, send me a link and I'll add it to the list. Maybe we could get it to be a sticky so we could all use it as a source of information.
    Thoughts?
    I don't know how all the tabs and format will carry over here, but here goes.

    Surplus Powder Connections:

    Jeff Bartlett
    http://www.gibrass.com/gunpowder.html Jeff Bartlett
    name price similar to type
    WC 872 $40/8# H870, AA8700 Ball
    WC 860(n) $40/8# H870, AA8700 Ball
    IMR 4895 $80/8# Extruded
    WC 846 $80/8# BLC(2) Ball
    WC 844 $80/8# H335 Ball
    IMR 4475 $80/8# IMR 3031, 846 Extruded
    WC 680(n) $64/8# AA1680 Ball
    WC 820(n) $64/8# AA#9 Ball
    WC 820 $56/8# AA#9 Ball
    WC 820(f) $56/8# win 571, HS7 Ball
    #107 $56/7# AA#7 Thick disk
    #105 $50/5# AA#5 Flake

    http://hi-techammo.com/ HI-tech ammo
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    WC 820 $59/8# H-110 Ball
    IMR 4895 out Extruded
    5010 $28/8# 50 cal Extruded
    WC 860 $36/8# 50 cal Ball
    WC 872 $36/8# 50 cal Ball
    IMR 7383 $24/7# 50 cal spotter Extruded


    http://www.wideners.com/ Wideners
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    IMR 4895 $79/8lb
    IMR 5010 $32/8lb
    SMP 860 $35/8lb
    SMP 844 $75/8lb out
    SMP 846 $75/8lb out
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    Lar45, you mentioned 844 earlier. You may already know, but I'll mention it anyway, because I've played around with this powder in particular. It likes to be pressured up to work best.

    In case some of the newcomers on the board don't know, there are quite a few surp powders data on castpics. All of those loads were developed and test by members here or at the old shooters board.
    http://www.castpics.net/RandD/load_data/load_data.htm

    I'll also offer up this warning again. Lot numbers are EVERYTHING with the surp powders. Pay attention to ALL of the WARNINGS offered by anyone who has been using them.

    From time to time Powder Valley will have one or more surplus powders available. You need to watch their web site. When they have one I want, and I've picked up several, I have them bring it to the big Tulsa Gun Show to save hazmat and shipping. They are good folks, and their specials are usually worth investing in. I've gotten H108, AA2230C, Data 73, Data 86, and several others all in the 50 to 65 dolla range. sundog

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    Yes that is a very good link to have in there.
    I looked at powder valley, but they didn't have anything listed right now. We should put a link to them in there though.
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    It wouldn't hurt to post shipping, handling, and "hazmat" charges for the suppliers. I've found some variation on hazmat charges from various sources.
    You might mention Midway. Not surplus, but just started supplying powders and primers........................Lee

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    Thumbs up Might as well add

    Weidners and Natchez.

    They both have surplus/odd lots one in a while!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lar45
    Hi it looks like I can't edit the first post?
    Surplus Powder Connections:

    Jeff Bartlett
    http://www.gibrass.com/gunpowder.html Jeff Bartlett
    name price similar to type
    WC 872 $40/8# H870, AA8700 Ball
    WC 860(n) $40/8# H870, AA8700 Ball
    IMR 4895 $80/8# Extruded
    WC 846 $80/8# BLC(2) Ball
    WC 844 $80/8# H335 Ball
    IMR 4475 $80/8# IMR 3031, 846 Extruded
    WC 680(n) $64/8# AA1680 Ball
    WC 820(n) $64/8# AA#9 Ball
    WC 820 $56/8# AA#9 Ball
    WC 820(f) $56/8# win 571, HS7 Ball
    #107 $56/7# AA#7 Thick disk
    #105 $50/5# AA#5 Flake

    http://hi-techammo.com/ HI-tech ammo
    name price similar to type
    WC 820 $59/8# H-110 Ball
    IMR 4895 out Extruded
    5010 $28/8# 50 cal Extruded
    WC 860 $36/8# 50 cal Ball
    WC 872 $36/8# 50 cal Ball
    IMR 7383 $24/7# 50 cal spotter Extruded


    http://www.wideners.com/ Wideners
    name price similar to type
    IMR 4895 $79/8lb
    IMR 5010 $32/8lb
    SMP 860 $35/8lb
    SMP 844 $75/8lb out
    SMP 846 $75/8lb out
    http://www.patsreloading.com

    http://www.natchezss.com/


    http://www.castpics.net/RandD/load_data/load_data.htm
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    www.patsreloading.com

    PAT'S RELOADING, Brian-Pat McDonald, 138 Hinderer SW, Massillon, OH 44646, 330-833-4360, evenings Pat 330-832-3843

    POWDER SALE PRICES AS May 17th 2006

    WC-846 Surplus- for 223 thru 308, military rifle ball powder, Has a burning rate from a little faster than H335 to almost the same as BLC2, reduce BLC-2 starting data by 10% to start, Some starting data on jug for 308 data, 8#- $79.00

    WC-844 Virgin 223 Surplus US Military powder, 8lbs-84.99, 4-8's $79.99 each 8 lbs, Use H335 starting data to work up loads.

    WC-820, Virgin, Magnum pistol ball powder, 13% faster than H110, 44 Mag, 357 Mag, 41 Mag, 8#- $64.00 , Virgin Stock

    WC820PD, From ammo, 8lb. 54.00

    Virgin New WC-872, Virgin Magnum rifle ball powder, use H870 starting data to work up all loading data. 8#-$36.00,

    WC860 Surplus, US Government 50 BMG Powder, Magnum Rifle powder, Have not had this number for several years, found a small supply, 8#-$32.00.

    New Item, Virgin WC860 never loaded 42.99 per 8lb, 6-8's 39.99 per 8lbs, 12-8 lbs 38.99 per 8 lbs. Loading lots of 50, ask for price on large amounts.

    Special Ball. like H380 surplus 8lb.84.00, Limited supply

    NEW Price-Virgin Military IMR-5010, 50 Cal Virgin. Extruded Rifle powder 8#-$42.99, 4-8's 39.99 per lbs, we pay HM on 6 units

    Surplus IMR 5010, 50 BMG Powder, extruded 8lb-$28.00, 100 Lb. Bulk, $2.75 LB

    IMR-7383, 50 cal spotter powder, This extruded rifle powder can be used in reduced velocity medium sized rifle loads, this powder is bulkier than 5010, also for magnum rifle, 7.0 lb-$24.00, Virgin stock

    Solo 1000 Shotgun Powder, Closeout, 11.00 per lb, 4lb, 44.00



    PISTOL POWDERS All Pistol is New Virgin

    Accurate- Scott 453, 9mm, 45 Auto 38 Special, small pistol, 4#- $44.00, Virgin stock

    PR200 use #2 data, New Virgin, 4lb-$44.00

    PR700 use #7 data, New Virgin, 4lb-$44.00, 8lb-$84.00

    WC-820, Mag pistol ball powder, see above, 8#-$64.00 This is the old carbine powder, super for Magnum Pistol. Virgin stock

    WC820PD, from ammo, 8lb-$54.00

    IMPORTANT NOTICE: DUE TO THE NATURE OF THESE PRODUCTS BEING HAZARDOUS MATERIAL CUSTOMER ASSUMES ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR STORAGE AND USE OF THESE PRODUCTS

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    pats a great guy to deal with
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    Vendors

    I've dealt with Wideners, Pat's, and Hi-tech over the years and all were easy to deal with and helpful - Wideners is local so you'd think I'd be there lots, but their hours are so bad its easier to shop online. I work about an hour from them and they are only open weekdays and only during work hours so I never make it.

    Pat's takes orders week nights which is nice - til 10pm eastern.

    Hi-tech I know will take orders on Saturdays which is nice as time through the week is sometimes a scarce commodity.

    All in all - just depends on who has what when and when I can get an order in.

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    Pat's price list as showing on 10.27.2007 note the price increases
    PAT'S RELOADING, Brian-Pat McDonald, 138 Hinderer SW, Massillon, OH 44646, daily 10 am-4:00 pm EST 330-833-4360, FAX 330-837-9202

    POWDER SALE PRICES As of September 7th 2007

    Get 4 to 6 units of Any types 844 or 846 and get HM Discount. You can mix ball and tracer types to get a HM discount.

    WC-844, WC-844T, Surplus for 223 Ball or tracer, 8lbs 99.99, 4 or 6 94.99 ea

    Attention: All military 846 is in two types now, For use in Ball ammo with a Heat reduction added to powder and a Tracer type which burns at a higher temp to light tracer bullets

    WC 846 Surplus Ball, 8lb 99.99, buy 4 or 6 for 94.99 per 8lbs, and also get HM discount.

    WC846T- US military Trace powder, 8lb 99.99, 4 or 6 for 94.99 per 8lbs.

    Government is getting 2-3 times barrel life now with the WC846 Coated Ball powder,

    AR 2213SC ( Like H4831SC), Virgin, limited supply, 115.00 per 8 lbs, 4 Plus 109.99, repacked from bulk, Supply limited to stock on hand.

    IMR 4350, Virgin, from bulk, 8lbs, 115.00, 4 or more 110.00 almost gone

    WC748 Virgin from bulk, new production, 8lbs-109.99

    Alliant Blue Dot, Virgin from bulk, check on Jug size, 5 lbs-$59.99

    WC297 Virgin, (Little slower than WC296) This OEM powder is used by commercial loaders use for 357-44 Magnum, 89.99 for 8 lbs.

    WC-820, Virgin, Magnum pistol ball powder, 13% faster than for Mag pistol and Carbine, 8 lbs--79.99

    SMP-231, New Pistol Powder, 6 lbs-$84.00

    Russian Shotshell Powder, SALUT,we got work up sheet from PMC, for using it in 45 Auto, 230 FMJ, just tested it in M10/ colt 45 auto and works great, done up in .3 Kilograms, 6 bottles in box===3.96 lbs, 44.00, works great in 9mm also, ran in my Mac and CZ75 zings right along,

    NEW Item, WC 868, 20mm/ 50 BMG Powder. 39.99 per 8lb.

    SALE++WC860 Surplus, Late 2000's production, THIS IS NOT TALON STOCK, US Government 50 BMG Powder, Magnum Rifle powder, SALE: 8#-$44.99. 6 Plus 42.99

    NEW Price-Virgin Military IMR-5010, 50 Cal Virgin. Extruded Rifle powder 8#-$69.99, 6+64.99 per 8lbs, +HM Discount on 6 units, You can mix this to get case price.

    Surplus IMR 5010, 50 BMG Powder, extruded 8lb-$45.00

    Virgin H5010, from Hodgdon Bulk drums, 8lb- 79.99

    IMR-7383, Temporally Out 50 cal spotter powder, This extruded rifle powder can be used in reduced velocity medium sized rifle loads, this powder is bulkier than 5010, also for magnum rifle,

    Solo 1000, Pistol-Shotgun Powder, 4 lb, 49.00

    PISTOL POWDERS

    WC-820, Virgin, Mag pistol ball powder, see above, 8#-$79.99 This is the old carbine powder, super for Magnum Pistol. Virgin stock

    SMP-231 New Production, Pistol Powder, 6 lbs $84.00

    WC297, Little slower than WC296, OEM powder for commercial reloaders for 357/44 Magnum, 8 lbs $89.99,

    Russian SALUT, PMC used it for 45 Auto, 3.96 lbs 44.00

    IMPORTANT NOTICE: DUE TO THE NATURE OF THESE PRODUCTS BEING HAZARDOUS MATERIAL CUSTOMER ASSUMES ALL RESPONSIBILITY FOR STORAGE AND USE OF THESE PRODUCTS.

    IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF THESE PRODUCTS CALL US!!!!!

    WARNING- IF YOU DO NOT KNOW ABOUT USING OEM BULK POWDER SEEK HELP FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS. REMEMBER MILITARY LOTS VARY FROM DRUM TO DRUM, WORK UP ALL LOADS USING STARTING DATA.


    All the 223-30 Cal tracer bullets are without cut/pull marks!!!!!

    223= M196 -55 grain Tracer, Red Tip, 500-$21.95, 1000=$35.00, 5000 in ammo can $149.00, SPECIAL 7800- $199.00, 30m plus=24.95m #1 Grade No cut/pull marks, these are from ammo made in 60's-70's with white cover on bottom, These tips are cheap because all of them will not light. Use a Hot stick powder

    223=M856 -62 grain Tracer, Orange Tip, 500=$85.00, 1000=$160.00, cup closure on base, #1 Grade, no cut/pull marks

    30-06=M-25, #1 Grade, cup closure, Orange Tip, 500-$28.95, 1000-$59.99, these are real nice tips, my supplier has raised the price on the good tips

    Special : 30 Caliber M-25 Tracer tips with (Pull Marks/Cut Marks) .NOT SIZED, 39.99 per 1000, 3000-$109.99,

    Please order the tracer tips in 500 amounts when mixing the small tracer tips together in the 50 cal cans.

    Remember we can fill the Ammo can up to a total weight of 70 lb gross weight, approx 63 net lb per box, this will reduce the HM charges as much as possible. There is a HM charge on each container.

    No sales of tracer to calif or any other state where it is illegal

    30-06 Ball

    30-06 US Military, 150 FMJ FB in 8rd Garand Clips, 280rd can $99.00

    30-06 Greek 150 FMJ Ball ammo, 192 rd can on Garand clips, $54.99

    30-06 Korean 150 FMJ , Reloadable, 0n Garand clips 384 rds. 89.99 per can

    30 Carbine

    30 Carbine, loaded with US MILITARY COMPONENTS, with WW Primers, 1000-$219.99.00, 500-$119.99, In stock

    9mm Ammo

    9mm Auto, Israeli Ball +P+ High Pressure, for Uzi SMG , we shot this in my Mac 10 and Sten and the S&W 76, and Uzi, really zings:::clean your gun, we called the factory they told us non corrosive, but out tests show some corrosion, 70's mfg,

    Loose inside a 50 cal ammo can 94.99m, 2000-89.99 per 1000, 4000=84.99m,

    In 25 rd boxes inside a 50 cal ammo can, 109.99m

    9mm Israeli tracer, trickle trace type, light 75-100 yards, 100-$22.00, 1250 can $245.00 Pick up only, this is Sub Machine Gun ammo)

    9mm Israeli tracer, 100-35.00, 1250-$350.00 Pick up Only

    50 Dummy Ammo, with ball bullet, no primer hole in brass 10-15.00, 100-99.00

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    SWHEELER Question

    The Scott-453 you mention, I pickup a pound of that the other day, I thought that I had done a lot of research with no luck on finding loading data! What is it close to, I only load pistol (mainly) and use everything Unique, red Dot, blue dot, 700x,800x, and others.
    Could you help me! I shoot all light loads, so if I could get close, isn't it close to Win231?
    I appreciate any help!
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    Yes, do treat it as a WW231 variant. ... felix
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    Scot powders were one-offs of existing powders from other companies in their numbering system. That powder was a very close relative of Winchester 452. You might find some data for 452. As Felix said, it is a fast powder, close to WW 231 in burning speed.

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    Scott 453 shot shell and handgun loading data were emailed to me after I called Accurate Arms. It is very close to W231 and HP 38 and about the same as Trap 100 and W452. Is there a particular cartridge and bullet weight you need data for Greg?
    Just because change doesn't make a difference doesn't mean that change is bad.

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    Greg, I also have data from Accurate as well. It may be the same data oso has. Data is for .38 Special, .38 Spl.+P, 9MM, .357 mag.,.45 ACP, .40 S&W, .38 Super, .380 ACP, .44 Mag. If this covers what you need send me a PM with your address and I'll photocopy the data and mail to you...Ray
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    what is the wc number for hodgdon h322 thanks in advance

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    I think it was 8208. I had some but sold it to a member here a couple of years ago.

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    Most, if not all, is gone. ... felix
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    Powders

    Does anyone still sell: Unique, Red Dot, Bullseye? I am just starting to reload after being gone for 15 years. I am getting together my stuff: cast bullets, molds, brass etc, that have been lying around for that amount of time.

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