Read a posting where a guy used his mec 600 shot shell loader to test hardness.The Mec has a gauge to applied 60 lbs pressure to the wad. He put a cut off brass from a shot shell over the wad tube(it is hollow,) then a steel plate a .177 steel BB and his bullet sample He gave a formula BHN= ------- Anyone try tis ? What is the formula? It was on Ammosmith.com under forums Thanks Rick