Just thought I would pass this info on to anyone who may be considering using the Gould bullet for hunting. Gould bullet 3 Deer 0. Deer just don't move far,if any with one of these thru their boiler room. Took 1 with .45-70 with 50 grs IMR 3031 used in a Marlin CB. Took 2 using muzzleloader with 100 grains FF with sabots for .458 dia bullet. Was very happy with performance of this bullet. 20 - 1 in .45-70 and 40 - 1 in muzzleloader.