NOE Small Group Buy (SGB) 358429 168Gr. Keith

[cptkeybrd]

Is this a cramer mold or standard pin. thanks

[Butler Ford]

RG2 HP mould
Extra blank pin set

Thanks.

BF

[Bob J]

Please add me to the list for an RG4....

[38 Super Auto]

I am in for two(2) of the normal five cavs.

2 x Five cavity mould $92.00 Ea.

[PepperBuddha]

RG4 HP mould $126.00 Ea.
Includes one set of hollow point pins
and one set of flat nose pins.
Extra blank pin set $8.00

[Hickory]

put me down for a RG2 with an extra set of blank pins.

[Trey45]

I'm gonna go broke due to NOE. This makes my 5th mold from you.

[Gunsmoke]

Please put me down for a standard 4 cavity

Thanks

[wiersy111]

Vary nice looking boolit. I might have to buy a 357 just to get this mold. How much longer will this be open? My son might want one.

[jr545]

I'll take on in RG4

[Old Ed]

Put me down for a RG4. I'm new here so let me know when you need the money.

Ed

[That'll Do]

Swede,

Could you please change my order from a 3 cavity to a 4 cavity regular mold?

Thank you!

[Tippet]

How fast do you guys load this one? I'm thinking it ought to have a gas check

[hamour]

Tippet, cast of the proper alloy and sized to fit your revolver cylinder throats, this bullet can be driven to full .357 speed with out leading.

Elmer Keith developed this bullet to be shot out of .38 special cases in the old S&W N Frame revolvers. The standard load was around 13.0grs to 13.5 grs 2400

He used 16-1 alloy. I prefer Lyman # 2 and get no leading out of my revolvers or Marlin rifle.

PS: This bullet will NOT fit a S&W N frame revolver crimped at the crimping grove if you use .357 mag cases. You have to crimp over the front edge or use .38 special cases. I use 38 cases and load 11.5grs 2400 for my "N" frames. It works perfectly with K and L framed revolvers and magnum cases.

In 38 special revolvers this bullet likes to be driven as fast as you can get it and be safe for your gun.

It is very accurate at speed and packs a wallop.

It is a classic bullet as good today as it was in the 1930's

If I wanted a .357 bullet to use Gas Checks on, it would be the NOE 360-180 WFN, it is just about the same weight but the nose is shorter allowing the use of magnum cases in the N frames and is better suited to the lever action rifles. Both are great and shoot very well.

[machinisttx]

I've loaded bullets from my NOE 358429 to an average velocity of 1430 fps in magnum cases. Test gun was an 8.375" barreled S&W 586. I need to harden my alloy a bit, but I had only slight slivers of leading after a 60 round load workup. The leading may have come from some other loads I fired, I really don't know.

I tried a few yesterday in some 38/44 loads and got some flat primers in two different guns with 12 grains of 2400. I couldn't detect any case head expansion, so I'm not really sure if the winchester primers are too soft for the load or if the load is just too hot. Speed from a very worn 4" Model 28 was 1172 fps while a 2.25" SP101 averaged 1103 fps.

If I did my math correctly last night(and I'll find out in a few minutes when I start loading), this bullet can be used with magnum cases in the N frame S&W's and the SP101 by just going about .025" below the trim to length recommended in loading manuals. You should end up with about .010" of clearance in case a bullet pulls slightly.

Edit: A trim length of 1.26"(magnum brass) gives .015" clearance between the bullet and the front of the cylinder in my SP101, and .010" in my M28-2. The blackhawk should have plenty of cylinder length to avoid extra trimming, I don't know about any of the others. If the cylinder isn't recessed for case heads, it will need to be at least 1.600" long for the bullet to work in standard length mag brass. Add another .060" onto that if the case heads are recessed.

[Tippet]

thanks guys I appreciate the input. My intended use is a couple of rugers, an old blackhawk and a somewhat less old snubby security-six. Sounds like this one will work. I've smelted about 100 lbs of 16:1 ingots from pure lead and bar solder. I think I'll go ahead with this one.

[mick27]

swede,

i'd like a RG4 HP 358429 w/ the included pins..

thanks,
mick27
mick jones
08560

[jj850]

i'll take an rg2

[blackthunder]

So would this boolit be a good one for a lever action? I don't have any moulds for the .357 yet and would like to get a "universal" mould. I really like the looks of this one! (have a S&W 586 .357 and the lever action is on my want list)

[hamour]

Blackthunder, I have used this bullet in its solid SWC form in my Marlin 1894. It shot well and functioned great too.

In my particular rifle, the bullet fed smoothest using .38 special cases. It fed reliably with .357 cases but had a slight "catch" when I babied it at the bench. Standing up and working the lever like I was hunting, each case fed great.

I have no experience with the hollow point version in my Marlin.

I also loaded the NOE 360-180 WFN in my Marlin, it had the same "Catch" in .357 brass as the SWC.

You will not be sorry with this bullet.