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Thread: Milk Jug 300 Yard 6.5 Swede

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    Milk Jug 300 Yard 6.5 Swede

    Here is a picture of a milk jug filled with water and shot with my Swede at 300 yards. As you may remember from before the rifle has a 2.5x10 Burris Mil Dot scope on it. I have it sighted in at 100 yards with the 6.5 Kurtz group buy. You may remember too I shoot the 6.5's at high velocity. Little more on that later. I places a cardboard behind the jug incase I had to take more then one shot to see where the bullets were going at that distance. Seems I didn't have to as the first mil dot below the crosshair was dead on for my load.

    Now more about the high velocity. Some, or should I say many, question why shoot high velocity with the 6.5 Swede. Some are bona fide, but others I feel are sarcasm because they can't do it. Whatever I don't care. My reason is look at the damage to the jug. You can clearly see this wasn't any slow moving 6.5 bullet even at 300 yards. Further more the hole in the cardboard behind the jug showed very good expansion which surprised me. The alloy is 50/50 lead/wheelweights air cooled. Also I feel had I been shooting the bullet at say 1600 fps my drop would have been considerably more. I now have a pretty decent flat shooting cast load for my Swede which in my opinion is still pretty devastating at 300 yards.

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    What was the velocity?
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    That is a very soft alloy to be shooting over 1600 fps. I even felt that my handgun boolits were too soft with only 2% Antimony or 50% ww/50% lead. But if you are getting that kind of accuracy why change a good thing!
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    No it's not too soft an alloy. The velocity was little over 2300 fps. Much has to do how you load for the Swede. There is a very controversial loading technique that myself and a few other know about and use.

    The proof is in the shooting and groups that have been done, again by myself and the few others. Water dropped or oven treated the alloy is much much harder.

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    Nice.

    How many mills did you hold ever??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiloh View Post
    Nice.

    How many mills did you hold ever??

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    Well I had to look to make sure I posted that and I did, but will repeat it for you. The first mil dot under the normal crosshair. I'd estimate maybe a 2-3 inch drop in the bullet from the 100 yard setting. I was quite surprised how flat it shot. I'll have to work up a load with BaBore's remake of the Lyman 266469 and see what it does as it's a tad heavier and longer for a even higher BC then the Kurtz. Remember that Kurtz is pretty much a flat nose.

    I knew I had something at the shot because the jug literally exploded and kind of disappeared at the shot. I was expecting to see slight movement and some water spray.

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    Joe, why the mystery? Why the "only a few others and me know"?

    Kinda weird....
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    Quote Originally Posted by O.S.O.K. View Post
    Joe, why the mystery? Why the "only a few others and me know"?

    Kinda weird....
    Been gone over in the other 6.5 posts numerous times. I'm not explaining it anymore. The only reason I mention it is so that one doesn't think they can normal load the Swede and achieve superb accuracy at high velocity and waste their components. I may do a test and waste my components and see if I can match these loads with conventional means. Final note: I believe there's been pretty much the whole technique described in many posts and also told about long ago.

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    There is a very controversial loading technique that myself and a few other know about and use.
    So what is it, a duplex load or something?


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    Heck .... anyone can hit a yellow milk jug. Don't they have the clear ones where you live? Just kidding ... good shooting. 6.5 is a nice caliber. I have 2 6.5 Japs that were my fathers. They both shoot cast very well.

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    I changed an egr cooler on a 6.0L F-250 in under three hours on Monday. That requires a controversial and secret technique, too. Oh, wait! Sorry, wrong forum!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.S.O.K. View Post
    Joe, why the mystery? Why the "only a few others and me know"?

    Kinda weird....
    The reason is, they are using unsafe loading practices.
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarMetal View Post
    There is a very controversial loading technique that myself and a few other know about and use. Joe

    Very controversial? Really?

    Sounds ...................... rebellious.

    Somebody goin to have to teach me this some day.

    Ahhhh, never mind if it is unsafe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nighthunter View Post
    Heck .... anyone can hit a yellow milk jug. Don't they have the clear ones where you live? Just kidding ... good shooting. 6.5 is a nice caliber. I have 2 6.5 Japs that were my fathers. They both shoot cast very well.

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    Actually we don't have the clear ones. They have the white and the yellow you saw. The yellow is from a premium dairy company here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StarMetal View Post
    Been gone over in the other 6.5 posts numerous times. I'm not explaining it anymore. Final note: I believe there's been pretty much the whole technique described in many posts and also told about long ago.

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    oh ? really ? you should, what about us noobes ? i have a swede, i'ed be interested in what you haves to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bass Ackward View Post
    Very controversial? Really?

    Sounds ...................... rebellious.

    Somebody goin to have to teach me this some day.

    Ahhhh, never mind if it is unsafe.
    It's controversial because either the posters get PO'ed because I won't tell them, some mad because they can't get the HV with accuracy, others with the excuse they don't need HV loads for the Swede, the list goes on. One member, although he won't admit, left the forum...but has since returned over fighting with me in the 6.5 threads.

    Waksupi, just firing a firearm can be dangerous. The loading technique is/only dangerous if not done correctly....I guess you could say that about any kind of loading huh? Like too much of the wrong powder? Once again....no it's not duplex loading.....which I have done with some pretty good results.

    All I know is thanks to the technique my Swede has become one of most enjoyable rifles firing cast bullets with the accuracy and velocity rivaling jacketed loads. Now I know with the mil dot scope and the load I have that I can nail what I'm shooting at from 0 to 300 yards pretty well. Seems the energy is still there at that distance too. Might have to chrono the velocity at 300 yards to figure up the energy.

    It's still rifle season here in TN for deer and the Swede is what I'm using for the next deer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckweet View Post
    oh ? really ? you should, what about us noobes ? i have a swede, i'ed be interested in what you haves to say.

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    My my, the 6.5 Swede is such a touchy subject here.

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    If you think this was a good shot say so, if not say so but leave it at that or the thread will get closed. We have been here before and we aren't going there again, are we? It is Christmas so I will leave it at that.

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