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Thread: 9mm Hornady "Critical Defense Ammo"

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwknight View Post
    Eventually the anti-gun people will push lead free primers to a standard. The lead free primers could also be desighned to be self destructing after about a year. And already are less reliable than what has been on the market.
    That way, the amount of ammo anyone has can be controlled.
    Another reason to stock up.

    This thought is worth what you paid for it. Money back guarantee.

    how about some PROOF OF THIS STATEMENT!

    shelf life limited primers is a hoax/mis-information that ags been a round for a while...with no truth.
    only accurate rifles are interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by lwknight View Post
    Anything can be designed to go inert after a set time. Especially plastics. And certain types of plastics can be used as primers.

    joined in nov of this yr, 77 posts and,,,just made my ignore list...a new record.

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    Mike, do you want your money back?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lwknight View Post
    Failure by design. Old primers may stay good for a hundred more years. I have ammo loaded myself in 1980 and its all still good. I have new Magtech and CCI primers that have FTFs in like 2 percent.
    If your refrigerator is 20 years old, it may last another 20 years.
    If you bought it in the last 10 years, prepare to buy a new one soon.
    That my friend is by design.
    Lead free primers are not old nough to know how long they last. Why do you think that all LEO agencies do not carry ammo that is over 1 year old? I mean not even stored in a controlled atmosphere.
    If you have pre Y2K primers, cherish them. I have had no misfires with Remington primers made 2 years ago.
    I'ld have to see some proof of that. It is likely that lot of Hornady ammo has a problem. It's almost impossible to make a primer that has a shelf life & control that. First LEO that dies from an inert primer, his family is going to own that manuf. Time to take the tin foil hat off.

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    I heard the same thing about the government, via the EPA, pushing all the bullet companies to introduce lead free jacketed bullets. And, pushing states to find an excuse, like an endangered species to outlaw the use of lead boolits, store-bought or homemade in certain parts of the state/country.

    And we all KNOW that is hogwash, right? Right?

    Next thing, some whacko here is going to post that the fedguv is going to require WW manufacturers to take the lead out of WW and replace it with zinc or even cast iron or steel.

    Rich

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    Thanks for the sarcasm.

    BTW, it wasn't the fedgov that did that, it was california. Just so you know.
    "I have enough ammo and guns to shoot my way into Nevada." - California resident.

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    I am New to this forum..

    If what some of you are saying about ammo...then the manufactures are
    are expermenting with our lives !

    I am an old Cong Hunter( Vietnam Target Acquisition Specialist)r...and in
    the 60s and early 70 used a lot of ammo made in WWII and For Korea.
    (1954) NOT ONE SINGLE MISS-FIRE...EVER !


    38 failures to fire out of less than two hundred rds ! That is criminal !

    73s("Best Regards"morse code)
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    Call Hornady; they're good people. I buy a couple boxes of factory ammo every 5-7 years just to have "fresh" in the SD guns. But 99.999% of everything i shoot is my own. In my 40+ years of loading, I've had two failures to fire, both were caused by missing anvils in the primer. Frankly, I should have caught that.

    At what factory costs, I'd have already been on the horn to Hornady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storydude View Post
    Ummmm, no.

    Chemicals just do not "go" inert after a set amount of time.
    Oxidation can certainly render certain chemicals inert ... hydrogen for example and you get water. Sometimes the oxidation is very slow; sometimes it's very fast. So can other chemical reactions. All things in nature progress from a state of high energy to a state of lower energy. That's why things corrode and balls roll downhill. Sooner or later, the chemical energy dissipates, changes take place and the mix is inert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thx997303 View Post
    Lowest bidder? Who's bidding? This isn't military ammo.

    Anyway, ONE Failure to fire in self defense ammo is absolutely unacceptable.
    Most business operate to achieve lowest cost and greatest revenue and profit. Hornady may in fact solicit bids from several sources on primers. Unless there is a sole source for primers, makers will attempt to provide a product at a lower cost than the competition.

    If Hornady makes the primer cups, anvils and primer compound themselves, the raw materials to make them are supplied on a bid basis with the lowest bidder generally getting the contract now days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shiloh View Post
    In this case it is not so low a cost. Something with the Hornady name on it should deliver 100% performance.

    Shiloh
    You mean like Morton-Thiokol?

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    This topic was started a shade over 2 1/2 years ago and ended after 3 days. It had been inert until pulled up with a reply by a first time poster.

    Did anyone else ever have trouble with the Hornady 9mm Critical Defense load?

    As for Hornady standing behind their ammo, I was in their plant a year or two ago buying some 'seconds.' Someone came in complaining about Hornady 223 not functioning in their AR. They had purchased a case lot but brought in 1 box as an example. The Hornady person took the box, went to their indoor firing lane, and returned in a couple minutes with 20 still warm pieces of brass. After a friendly discussion where the guy admitted he might need to clean his gun, Hornady gave the guy a replacement box.

    The whole idea of life limited primers has been covered in detail before.

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    I've been reloading with centerfire primers from the early 50's and am almost out, they all worked fine. But, I did take my Ruger Old Army our yesterday. About a year ago I bought 4000 #11 caps ( CCI ) for it just to have on hand. Stored well in a 50 cal ammo can, away from heat and moisture. Just after the purchase, 100% reliable. Yesterday, about a year later, about 1/3 of them failed to fire first try. Later today will test the rest of the lot after I measure the nipples to make sure they are OK. Priming mix has never gone bad for me, but yesterday has me asking questions at this point. Wonder if they are still made the same, like my old center fire primers, or the new ones are made to expire and become unreliable ?? The testing begins ??
    Chris

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    Turns out the nipples on this ROA are all spot on measured with a depth mic, and a
    1"mic. Not sure what to do now. But I guess this proves that there are bad lots of primers out there, centerfire or cap and ball. Ran the same test with some 30+ year old Remingtons and they worked 100%. Will contact CCI and ask what is up, see what they have to say.
    Chris

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    Most of the time I don't shoot enough percussion caps in the course of a year to matter. Lately though, I've been shooting an ROA a fair amount and using up old caps. No misfires--even with caps from '83--but no CCIs either. I did notice that the Dixie caps (pink plastic box) weren't as hot as they were back when I bought them.

    I'd definitely suggest you contact CCI and see if this was a lot-specific problem, then please let us know.

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    I have a ROA that I bought back in the 70's. When I bought it, I also bought 1000 #11 CCI caps, and after shooting maybe 24 shots thru it, I cleaned it, and put it away. I recently started shooting it again, but with real black powder, rather than the pyrodex I had originally shot in it, and using the CCI caps I bought in the 70's I've yet to have one failure. I bought a single tin of Remington #10 caps in case the old CCI's didn't work, and because I believe the ROA is designed to use #10's not #11's. I was surprised that it looks like the 2 different size caps look like they're the same size, and so now I'm more confused about what the differences are between #10's & #11's!
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