I have a problem with seating dies

[canuck4570]

got a redding seating die and it so tight that I can
not seat the bullet without removing the bell that I have done with the expander die
on top of that even if I seat the bullet on a different operation I can not do a crimp because if I seat a .460 bullet the diameter of the bullet plus casing is .484 and the 450 marlin specs are .480 and the seater die act like a taper crimp die
and I can not reach the crimp position
I would like to know what my option are
return them but they are ok for jacket bullet so redding will say you know what....
his there someone who can open this seating die a few thousands.... help....
canuck

[mike in co]

got a redding seating die and it so tight that I can
not seat the bullet without removing the bell that I have done with the expander die
on top of that even if I seat the bullet on a different operation I can not do a crimp because if I seat a .460 bullet the diameter of the bullet plus casing is .484 and the 450 marlin specs are .480 and the seater die act like a taper crimp die
and I can not reach the crimp position
I would like to know what my option are
return them but they are ok for jacket bullet so redding will say you know what....
his there someone who can open this seating die a few thousands.... help....
canuck

first have you determined that 460 is the CORRECT BOOLIT DIA FOR YOUR GUN ?

cause what i know is that the correct generic dia is the same as 45 aCP....0.451/452......

( 460 is a NAME...not a CALIBER)

????

[canuck4570]

this die is for my 450 marlin
like I said the die is so tight that it closes the bell that I make with my expending die
so I shave the bullet
it is so tight that it serve has a taper crimp die preventing moving on to the crimp option
and I have a hard time getting the cartridge out if I crimp because it sqweeze the entire bullets
the only way out of this is to find someone to open up the die
I have ask this on cast bullet

[stephen perry]

I've always found RCBS dies to have a little more room ro work with, they only size the web section of most brass and provide more space in their seating dies. I use either RCBS or CH to seat my Cast.

Stephen Perry
Angeles BR

[mike in co]

this die is for my 450 marlin
like I said the die is so tight that it closes the bell that I make with my expending die
so I shave the bullet
it is so tight that it serve has a taper crimp die preventing moving on to the crimp option
and I have a hard time getting the cartridge out if I crimp because it sqweeze the entire bullets
the only way out of this is to find someone to open up the die
I have ask this on cast bullet

yep i messed up thos two numbers...my bad

so call the die maker and ask for thier specs....
with a 457/8 bullet you would not have an issue ??...but going an extra 2 thou...is tight city.

so while lots of dies are case boolit tollerant...maybe thee are not.

again is 460 correct for your bbl ?....

call the maker and ask why a 484 is jamming ?

what happends with 459 ? 458 ?( too small ?....)
factory ammo fit in your die ??

mike in co

[canuck4570]

yes even with jacketed bullet they are tight but I am able to crimp a bit but you see skuff marks on the case and its hard to get the cartridge out
tried with .459 cast bullet and you see a big difference impossible to crimp and harder to get the cartridge out.....

[largom]

Redding dies are one of the best [for jacketed bullets] because their tolerances are very close. I would get a Hornady seater for the cast boolits and keep the Redding for jacketed.

I could open it up for you but shipping two ways would pay for a Hornady die.

Larry

[canuck4570]

Redding dies are one of the best [for jacketed bullets] because their tolerances are very close. I would get a Hornady seater for the cast boolits and keep the Redding for jacketed.

I could open it up for you but shipping two ways would pay for a Hornady die.

Larry

could you opened them up to .500 and could I still be able to crimp
yes I have 3 of them I don't like adjusting dies for the press at home and the one at the range

[mike in co]

if they are marking the case with jacketed bullets, i'd call and ask the maker about correction/replacement.

mike in co

[largom]

canuck 4570, Actually you can open this die up yourself. All you need is a
piece of dowel [a wooden pencil will work], some fine emory and an electric drill. Cut a slot in the end of the dowel with a hacksaw about 1 in. long, put a piece of emory about 3 in. long in the slot and wrap it around the dowel. With the dowel in the electric drill insert the emory into the die and run the drill for a minute or less. Check your die and repeat if needed until the die is the size you need. A little light oil or water on the emory helps. Go slow and check often.

Your die will still crimp UNLESS you open too much.

Larry

[canuck4570]

the redding set of die for the 450 marlin are exchange for a set of RCBS and a extra seating die which my son will bore it to .500 for the length
of he shell
this die will be used only to seat bullet, permitting me to put the bell that I want on the case whithout it being pull back during seating

the other one will be for crimping
thank you all for the numerous input on my problem...

[MtGun44]

Hornady dies use a floating sleeve which is a tight fit on the bullet to align it
accurately on the case centerline. This sort of die is also offered by Redding and
Forster as a 'benchrest seater die' and they cost a bunch extra.

I use and love these dies for jacketed, but have yet to try them with cast. I would
expect there to likely be issues of fit, esp since I bell the case noticably for cast,
but not at all for jacketed. This belling is likely to jam on the very tight alignment
sleeve, I presume. I use regular dies for cast, without the alignment sleeve.

Bill

[canuck4570]

good but they don't make them bigger than 338 I think......

[largom]

good but they don't make them bigger than 338 I think......

I have one for 45-70

Larry

[canuck4570]

I stand corrected
tell me how it goes when seating GC bullet?
I had one in 30-06 and the cast bullet stuck in the sleeve, they where realy made for .308 bullets

[largom]

Hornady dies use a floating sleeve which is a tight fit on the bullet to align it
accurately on the case centerline. This sort of die is also offered by Redding and
Forster as a 'benchrest seater die' and they cost a bunch extra.

I use and love these dies for jacketed, but have yet to try them with cast. I would
expect there to likely be issues of fit, esp since I bell the case noticably for cast,
but not at all for jacketed. This belling is likely to jam on the very tight alignment
sleeve, I presume. I use regular dies for cast, without the alignment sleeve.

Bill

I like the Hornady seaters so well that I have made a complete set for all of my cast boolits. The die body is universal, the sleeve and stem change for caliber. I made my sleeves and stems to fit the largest Dia. cast boolit for each caliber.

I DO NOT bell any bottle neck cases. Case necks are deburred inside with a VLD deburr tool. The close fit of my seating dies allows the boolit to seat without shaving lead. Each boolit/mold does have it's own seating stem made to conform to the boolit nose.

Larry

[HEAVYSHOT]

i agree ihave a 45 70 sized in 460 and no problem with it i have r c b s dies works very well i any problem call r c b s tech line heavyshot.

[AZ Pete]

I stand corrected
tell me how it goes when seating GC bullet?
I had one in 30-06 and the cast bullet stuck in the sleeve, they where realy made for .308 bullets

My Hornady 45-70 dies have worked just fine for cast bullets (up to 500 g.) as well as jacketed