Anyone looking for a good deal on a lube/sizer can find a it at "Gunbrokers.com" in the reloading equipment section. There's a "new in box" (old stock?) Lyman 450 complete with a .358 size die and a .429 SWC top punch. "Buy it now" price is $92. That's half the price of a new 4500 Lyman. Better hurry!.......Just FYI, Dennis