35rem & whelen loads??

[jhalcott]

what do you guys use in the 35rem,and 35whelen with 200 grain bullets.The Lyman book only shows loads running in the 1400 fps for the rem.The same bullet(358315) in the whelen goes over 2500. I would LIKE to use these for deer hunting.The whelen is a mauser,24" and the rem is a 14" contender.
thanx in advance.

[Bass Ackward]

JH,

Many differing opinions here for obvious reasons. I want a muzzle velocity of about 2100 - 2200 fps so that I get the trajectory and expansion across that trajectory range that I want which is 40 to 200 yards. If I wanted to shoot closer than 40, I would need to drop my velocity level to about 1900 fps. Then I would lose about 50 yards on the max end.

What velocity level you want will ultimately depend on how hard your bullets are and what range you want to hunt at. Then you will find a powder that starts your bullet off easy enough that it can obtain the accuracy level you want.

I started off with a 210 grain using RL15 at 52 grains in the Whelen which was 2400 fps. So my guess would be about 53-54 grains with the 200 using ACWW. I worked my way up to a 265 and I still use RL15 but only 44 grains of it and that drops velocity to 2000 fps. So I settled on a 250 grain using 47 1/2 grains of RL15 and .5cc of PSB and I light it with a pistol primer. This gets me 2200.

Can't help you with the Remmy

[jhalcott]

thanks bass,
I am using an alloy of 6pounds WW /4Pounds lino with a about 2-3 ounces of shot.Fresh from the mold they run 14 to 15 BHN.I want more than the 1400 fps that the Lyman book shows because I hunt deer at ranges from 50 to close to 200 yards. I also have a 358JDJ 14" contender with a brake that I'm thinking about using cast in. This 35 REM barrel is Much more accurate than my last one and EVERY shot goes BANG. 5 of 20 factory loads would NOT go off,but put them in another gun and they would. Different makers too! That's how I got the 358JDJ!

[drinks]

I use a Lyman gc, supposed to be 205gn, actually 215gr.
40gr Rel7= 2190fpd, 45gr Rel7= 2380fps.
35gr IMR4198= 2110fps, 40gr IMR4198= 2390fps.
40gr H4895= 2000fps, 46gr= 2290fps.
WW's . air and water cooled both do well and I have no leading at any velocity.
I am using either Lee LA or LBT soft blue.

[Larry Gibson]

what do you guys use in the 35rem,and 35whelen with 200 grain bullets.The Lyman book only shows loads running in the 1400 fps for the rem.The same bullet(358315) in the whelen goes over 2500. I would LIKE to use these for deer hunting.The whelen is a mauser,24" and the rem is a 14" contender.
thanx in advance.

Haven't got a Whelen these days so I can't help you there. Looks like you've good advice from several others though. I do have a .35 Rem on a M91 SR Mauser action with a 26" Shilen barrel, 1-14" twist. I do shoot 358315s in it, shooting some tomorrow actually. Cast hard they weight 205 gr GC'd and lubed. I push them with milsurp 4895 with 38 gr (100% loading density) pushing them at 2325 fps. I've cast some softer for the test tomorrow and am looking at hunting accuracy in the 1900 to 2000 fps range. I use the hollow pointer on my Forster case trimmer to put a HP about 1/8" deep to aid expansion.

Not sure why the current Lyman has the anemic .35 Rem loads but the older 42d edition loads 358315 up to 30-33 gr with 4895, 3031 and 4064 with velocities in the 1700s. I haven't shot the .35 Rem in a Contender but I shoot 30-30 and several others in carbine barrels. I'd suggest 4895, 3031 or RL7 starting at 24 gr (I'd use a 1 gr filler of dacron) and work up carefully. I think you should get into the 1700s+ with a safe and accurate load. That's what Id' do but again, I haven't done it with a Contender so it's just a suggestion. Let us knwo what you do and how it does.

Larry Gibson

[trk]

Working on RCBS 35-200 gc with Unique. 5 shot groups of 3/4" and 1.2" (50 yds) at 11 and 18 grains of Unique. Don't have a clue on velocity, but that should be easy to look up.

Let me add the question of accuracy, what are the best loads for tight groups?

[trk]

Above is 35 Wheelen in Rem 700 Classic, next will be 35 Rem in '50's 336.

[bart55]

I also use the 35 200gr RCBS gc with felix lube in the whelan mauser with 24 in bbl 44gr RL7 ww with some added lino no leading and quite accurate Have killed two whitetails with it , one at 65yrds and the other at 90 yrds neither went more than thirty yyards good clean kills . very good bullet in the 35rem also but I can nnot remember offhand what my load is for that one . Good luck

[C A Plater]

In my .35 Remingtons I use the 200 grain RCBS GC bullet over slightly compressed charge of 39.0 grain of IMR4064. My 14 inch Contender chronographs at 1850 fps and add another 200 fps out of my Marlin. That load is very near maximum in my guns so approch with due caution.

[trk]

35 Wheelen, Rem 700, Nikon 4-12x scope, CCI LR, 50/50 alox/beeswax.

27, 28 gr 4227 for 1-5/8 and 1-3/4" groups at 100 yards

17.5 gr Unique for 1-1/2" at 100. (17 to 18.5 grains look promising.)

Hard cast (probably lino, water dropped) sized to .360 (just touching some surface of the sides).

Some groups had sub-group of 3 holes touching, under 1/2" center to center.


SO, my question is, is it reasonable to try to reduce the groups to under 1" or less? What groups do y'all get?

[Maineboy]

35 Wheelen, Rem 700, Nikon 4-12x scope, CCI LR, 50/50 alox/beeswax.

27, 28 gr 4227 for 1-5/8 and 1-3/4" groups at 100 yards

17.5 gr Unique for 1-1/2" at 100. (17 to 18.5 grains look promising.)

Hard cast (probably lino, water dropped) sized to .360 (just touching some surface of the sides).

Some groups had sub-group of 3 holes touching, under 1/2" center to center.


SO, my question is, is it reasonable to try to reduce the groups to under 1" or less? What groups do y'all get?

For me, getting under 2" groups at 100 yards with cast boolits in a hunting rifle means I've reached the Holy Grail!

[trk]

>>For me, getting under 2" groups at 100 yards with cast boolits in a hunting rifle means I've reached the Holy Grail!

There are places where minute-of-angle SHOULD be replaced with minute-of-woodchuck or minute-of-beercan.

[jhalcott]

well I took the 35remington 14" to the range with imr 4064 and 3031 powders. I used the lyman 358315 ,GCed and Felix lubed,seated to an overall 2.510".It came with a 2x scope. 4064 loads were not as accurate as 3031. Best 4064 load(50yard) was 1 3/4",,The best 3031 load went 0.650"!!!. I'm going to load up some more to make sure this wasn't a fluke. If not ,I'm gonna load a bunch of them. every round went off when I pulled the trigger on this barrel. My nephew went with me, he forgot to cock the hammer a few times. "CLICK", AW*^&%,Not Again!

[jhalcott]

went to the range to check the 35 Rem and 35 whelen loads. The Rem load(34.5/3031 still shot sub inch at 50 so I tried it at 100 yards. It put 3 shots well under 2 inches almost in the ten ring!NOT one of the whelen loads put ALL 3 shots on the paper! Some even went thru SIDEways? Looks like the 3031 is not the powder for this gun. I picked up a can of varget at the club yesterday,Maybe I can find a load using it?

[jhalcott]

While at the range retesting some 35 rem loads I shot a series of 35 whelen loads using the 358318 (250) lyman. 39-42-45 & 48 grains of IMR 3031. I was surprised at the 5 to 8" groups.many bullets hit side ways and some MISSED the target backer. 2' square cardboard! What REALLY gets me is that the 1st shot after cleaning was the wild flyer! 2 or 3 of the next shots would be in the middle of the target. the alloy is 60/40 WW/linotype and a couple ounces of shot for the arsenic. Hornady gas checks and FWFL. The rounds were loaded and fired one at a time to prevent any recoil growth problems. I got some varget to try next.I really want to use this gun and cast bullets deer hunting this year, I KNOW it'll do it with the jacketed bullets 'cause it has!

[felix]

Somthing wrong with the barrel, firing pin, or something. Squib loads? Twist not right? Grooves full of gunk? ... felix

[trk]

While at the range retesting some 35 rem loads I shot a series of 35 whelen loads using the 358318 (250) lyman. 39-42-45 & 48 grains of IMR 3031. I was surprised at the 5 to 8" groups.many bullets hit side ways and some MISSED the target backer. 2' square cardboard! What REALLY gets me is that the 1st shot after cleaning was the wild flyer! 2 or 3 of the next shots would be in the middle of the target. the alloy is 60/40 WW/linotype and a couple ounces of shot for the arsenic. Hornady gas checks and FWFL. The rounds were loaded and fired one at a time to prevent any recoil growth problems. I got some varget to try next.I really want to use this gun and cast bullets deer hunting this year, I KNOW it'll do it with the jacketed bullets 'cause it has!

Rate of twist? I ran into the same thing with my Rem 700 Classic 35W with the 358009 - too long for the rate of twist. SHorter bullets work well. Softer may work better but I'm guessing. The 200gr RCBS 35-200's do 1-1/2, 1-5/8, 1-3/4 groups at 100 for me. 17-18 gr of Unique, and somthing from 4227; 4227 worked better. Working next on plain based bullets.

[Trailblazer]

The Lyman 358318 has that long tapered round nose doesn't it? How much support does the nose of the bullet have? Might be they are tilting when they enter the bore and going down the barrel sideways. Maybe size them to a larger diameter to get a better fit in the throat and better alignment with the bore.

I got a Saeco 8mm mold recently. It casts a real nice looking 200 grain bullet but the nose is shaped like your Lyman and is way undersize so it has no nose support. Methinks it is not going to shoot well without some help!

[45 2.1]

I got a Saeco 8mm mold recently. It casts a real nice looking 200 grain bullet but the nose is shaped like your Lyman and is way undersize so it has no nose support. Methinks it is not going to shoot well without some help!

Try it cast of wheel weights, sized 0.325" and loaded with Unique. You will find it shoots very well even at long range if your rifle has anything close to a normal bore in it.

[jhalcott]

this is a 1/14 twist Shaw barrel. The bullets are sized to .359 thru my lee sizer.I have them JUST short enough to NOT stick in the bore when chambered.(they don't engrave ).The 42 grain load seemed to be the best,but still to large for hunting.????.I'm going to pull the action and check the stock,it's been a while since I've done that. I cleaned it with WIPE OUT before going to the range.A brush and patches between groups at the range. Maybe I'll try the 200 gr 358315 next.