44 200 gr RN HP by Mihec

[denul]

There was some ( a minority) interest in this design by 4.5 2.1 on another thread, as an alternative to theSWC design for the revolvers, mostly by rifle shooters concerned about SWC feeding issues. This is not the same as the lighter.444 screamer, or heavier LFN designs. I'd like it for the 44 Automag , (overall length is limited by magazine). Hope I posted this correctly , to see if enough rifle shooters could carry a Mihec HP design. For any who don't know, that design works very well.


http://castboolits.gunloads.com/atta...1&d=1240871351

[only1asterisk]

[denul]

Forgot to say - I'd be up for 2 of these, or 3 if gas checks were an option; and would like to know if anyone knows if Mihec will offer more than 2 cavities in his HP designs. Just curious.

[hiram]

this looks good to me.

[Highland Drifter]

I'm in! Just what I always wanted for my S&W 696.

Brian

[hicard]

I like it.

[Highland Drifter]

Denul,

I believe I read in another thread that Miha offered to make his hollow point molds in 3 cavity for a small increase in cost. That would be sweet!

Brian

[denul]

Id be very interested in that !

[hiram]

There's gotta be more interest than this. Wake up guys.

[Thin Man]

Looks interesting. I'd like to learn the as-cast diameter to see whether this would fill up a Marlin micro-groove barrel. Still, this has real potential for the 44 Special. Awwww, what the heck, I'm in. This design would be really handy in GC, but I would still take it in plain base.

[358wcf]

Looks like a winner in a plain-base for my 44Spec revolver, although just a bit more weight would be good. I normally use a 245swc boolit.
I like the profile to improve feeding in my Marlin 44mag rifle, but again, a bit more weight and a GC would be a good idea here.
Let's keep pushing consideration on this one-- It has promise!

358wcf

[Highland Drifter]

Ok guys, where are all the compact 44 special shooters? This is the ideal boolit for revolvers like the S&W 696, Charter Bulldog, etc. This is a much better Hollow point platform than a SWC.

Brian

[only1asterisk]

This is a much better Hollow point platform than a SWC.

Lots of folks will disagree with that statement.

[Springfield]

OK, exactly why is swc HP better? Never understood that myself. To me a SWC is for cutting nice holes in paper.

[azrednek]

I'd go for one if it were adopted as or was optional with a gas check base. Possibly we could do the same as the 41 group buy and make it available in either flat or gas check base.

[Highland Drifter]

Lots of folks will disagree with that statement.

It depends on what you want your hollow point to do. A SWC has 1 advantage... it will cut a nice clean hole in paper targets. It has the disadvantage of shearing the expanded nose at the front band. My Lyman 358156 H.P. bullets expand very nicely, but leave a lead donut behind when the nose blows off. A RNFP H.P. will have a better chance of supporting and holding onto the expanding nose for better weight retention. The RNFP H.P. will also feed smoother (faster) in a revolver than a SWC. Don't get me wrong I'm a SWC fan and shoot thoudands of them. Now to make a few enemies... a SWC is a great nostalgic boolit, but there is better out there so get over it.

Brian

[only1asterisk]

Actually, the SWC's primary advantage is that, all else being equal, the SWC will expand at a lower velocity. While the RNFP will hold on to it's mushroom to a higher velocity, the SWC does fine in the .38 or.44 Special velocity range.

As for RNFP being easier to load, that's true. But with a little practice it really isn't that much of an advantage.

I'm a RNFP guy, but the SWC works great for some applications.

As for the "SWC's for paper only" nonsense, all that really matters in hunting is the velocity, meplat, sectional density and stability (in flight and while penetrating). So long as SWC bullet does these things, it hunts as well as any other bullet.

[denul]

I believe that MiHec has made the GC (or not) an option; can anyone confirm that? Also, for any rifle shooters involved in SASS matches( I'm not), could the collapse or expansion of a HP PB make bounce back from metal plates less likely? I intend to try some of these and the SWC in HP configuration to reduce that risk; just asking.

[Highland Drifter]

only1asterisk,

I think we're probably on the same page as far as RNFP vs SWC. I just like to rattle a cage once in a while, hope no offence was taken. I just prefer my SWC's to be cast solid instead of H.P. The 40 cal Glock and JHP's carried in the urban jungle are left at home when I'm out camping or backpacking in the wilderness. I prefer to carry a 44 or 45 revolver loaded with cast solids with large meplats weather SWC or RNFP. Out in the wild I would rather have complete penetration and make the target bleed out of both holes.

Brian

[only1asterisk]

only1asterisk,

I think we're probably on the same page as far as RNFP vs SWC. I just like to rattle a cage once in a while, hope no offence was taken. I just prefer my SWC's to be cast solid instead of H.P. The 40 cal Glock and JHP's carried in the urban jungle are left at home when I'm out camping or backpacking in the wilderness. I prefer to carry a 44 or 45 revolver loaded with cast solids with large meplats weather SWC or RNFP. Out in the wild I would rather have complete penetration and make the target bleed out of both holes.

Brian

No offense offered or taken, we're about on the same page. The SWCHP is great for walking around busting jackrabbits and no slouch should you be required to shoot larger varmints. Cast solid the same boolit might be enough for deer (454423 comes to mind).