titegroup in my .44mag...any good?

[waco]

anyone out there have any luck with 240gc cast in the .44mag with titegroup?
i want a cheap load around 900-1000fps
10gr of unique works great but is dirty, and if i can cut the powder charge in half, that would be a bonus.
5.5 to 7gr ???
tell me you have had some good results with this combo!
waco

[zxcvbob]

I shoot 230 to 250 grain bullets in .45 Colt (Ruger) with 7.5 grains of Promo -- same as Red Dot but cheaper. Should be a good modest .44 Magnum load too, with 240 grainers, no need for GC's. Start at 6.5 grains and work your way up (or down) slowly. Max charge in .44M according to Alliant is 8.8 grains. It's a very bulky powder and should fill the case about halfway.

[shotman]

well I like it in all the hand gun cast loads. It dumps a uniform load. I use 8gr dont know fps but shoots good. Same load in 45colt. 5gr in 45acp.

[DanM]

Yep, TG should be good to very good for the load want. I would not try to go much hotter with it.

[Three44s]

Titegroup's name probably says it all .........

Titegroup ......

But as to clean ....... not particularily ...... and at the low end ..... may even want to soot the outside of cases.

MY clean choice is Clays ...... not Universal clays ........ not International .......... just "plain" Clays.

For more accuracy ..... sure .... titegroup ........ for clean ........... Clays

Three 44s

[runfiverun]

you can get better velocity with titegroup then you can with clays the pressure comes up quickly with clays.
but clays is clean at about 5 grains.
titegroup and 4 grs in a 44 special is a nice load ,and up to 8 in the 44 mag does well.

[waco]

ill give it a try and let ya know how the blackhawk likes it!

[EDK]

I buy TITEGROUP in 8 pound bottles. I shoot mostly mid range 44s and higher end Cowboy loads from the Hodgdon booklet. I should have bought two last time!

PROMO is supposedly the same as RED DOT. GRAFS HAD it for about $88 per 8 pounder and HAD it in stock last time I looked. I've never used it, but I will get a pound of RED DOT at the local guys; try it awhile; and then run up to GRAFS for a 8 pounder or two.

HP38 is supposedly the same as WW231. That's good stuff in my 44 and 357s too.

A good crimp will help with the sooty casing problems. I flirted with taper crimp in 357 and 44 both, and then went back to roll crimping with the DILLON dies.

[zxcvbob]

PROMO is supposedly the same as RED DOT

By weight Promo is just like Red Dot without the little red dots. But you can't mix them because Promo is denser than Red Dot.

A good crimp will help with the sooty casing problems.

Your choice of brass also makes a difference. Don't use Starline brass for poofter loads, use Winchester or RP. Save the Starline brass for your zombie-stomper loads.

[bobthenailer]

i use 7.0 to 8.0 of t.g in several 44 mags with a cast 200 gr tc the 7.0 load yealds 980 fps and accuracy is excellent, i havent tried tg with a cast 240 gr bullet but im sure it will shoot well . i do shoot a 454 casull with 8.0 tg with a 260 lfn for 975 fps 9.0 tg with a 260 lfn for 1100 fps and 12.0 gr tg with the 260lfn for 1350 fps, all with excellent accuracy ! i use a small pistol primer in the casull with the tg loads

[freedom475]

I used a lot of it in my 475L (8 or 9 grs. in it too) and it worked very well but....it cut a real nice groove in my top strap in about 2000 rounds.

I asked John Linbaugh and he said it was very errosive powder and I shouldn't be using it in the big guns. My top strap is proof that he knew what he was talking about. I would suppose the 44 would be considered a big gun as well.

The data shows that I have to run pressures to almost 50,000 to get 1000fps with the 400gr. boolit in the 475 and I suppose that this is where a lot of the cutting problem comes from. But the 44 is not far behind with the pressure/velocity return with TiteGroup.

[bobke]

freedom475-
linebaugh have a recommendation as to what to use that would not be as corrosive? when he built a 45colt for me a long time ago, he favored hs6 for midrange loads in 45c. not sure where he stands today-been away from the game for a while.
b

[JesterGrin_1]

This is the TightGroup load I use that works well and shoots where I point it. A 240Gr Cast BOOLIT with 5.5Gr of TightGroup and standard primer is a bit over 900FPS. And I have tried loads from 4.7GR of TightGroup all the way up to 9.5Gr of TightGroup but at the higher end I had pressure signs and sticky cases. So with all of my testing I settled on the 5.5Gr Load.

[exile]

I just bought a pound of it to try and make .327 Federal loads with it. Guess I won't be using it in my .44 mountain gun.

exile

[targetshootr]

I like Universal. It burns cleaner than anything except maybe Clays and the burn rate is practically identical to Unique. It works well in 475 too.

[waco]

thanx for all the advice fellas.......dont wanna cut the top strap!.....
...
....damn
waco

[JesterGrin_1]

thanx for all the advice fellas.......dont wanna cut the top strap!.....
...
....damn
waco

I have shot lots of rounds through my S&W 629 of which have not cut the top strap. I do not think you will run across that until you really start to run heavy loads of TightGroup. But then again TightGroup is designed for low to mid range loads to start with. If you wish to push them harder then by all means go to 2400 or W-296 or H-110.

[freedom475]

freedom475-
linebaugh have a recommendation as to what to use that would not be as corrosive? when he built a 45colt for me a long time ago, he favored hs6 for midrange loads in 45c. not sure where he stands today-been away from the game for a while.
b

He did mention something about a reduced-load powder but I can't remember what it was. I bet it was the hs6.... he is real friendly so you could probly call and ask him.

I do Know that he said to use 2400 as it was his favorite powder in most handguns. Could be loaded down to around 1000fps and up to where H110/296 takes over.

[freedom475]

thanx for all the advice fellas.......dont wanna cut the top strap!.....
...
....damn
waco

I don't want to scare you away...the powder shoots fine and the cutting will not continue past a point. It will stop cutting.

For another way to look at it is this...
Fun With Math

Powder= $20Lb.

2400/296/H110= $720 for +/- 12,000 44mag rounds fired

TiteGroup= $240 for +/- 12,000 44mag rounds fired

for a savings or $480... the powder savings makes the gun free.....like you need a reason to buy a new gun Think the wife will believe that one?...."But baby it's free."

[zxcvbob]

For another way to look at it is this...
Fun With Math

Powder= $20Lb.
2400/296/H110= $720 for +/- 12,000 44mag rounds fired
TiteGroup= $240 for +/- 12,000 44mag rounds fired

for a savings or $480... the powder savings makes the gun free.....like you need a reason to buy a new gun Think the wife will believe that one?...."But baby it's free."

With Alliant Promo, for about $85 (what an 8# jug costs) you get enough powder for 7000 44Mag rounds.