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    The mould you've never seen.... kind of an odd duck

    I found the answer to what this was on the forum, a member named FloodGate provided the information in a post from about 15 years ago.

    Ideal mold 319295.... hmmmmm.......

    The answer is below, of course, but I thought it was pretty interesting.

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    #319295 was actually introduced in Ideal Handbook No. 17 of 1906, as one of the first gas check designs for the new "high power" smokeless loadings. It was also available with a separate tip mould for casting soft-nose bullets, the tip cast in pure lead and dropped into the main mould to be filled with a harder alloy (a harder alloy could also be used with a softer body, to avoid nose slumping and insure "bump-up" in the body with BP loads). Ideal's description is interesting:

    "319295 For .32-40 High Power Rifles. Should be made of No. 2 bullet metal; will weigh about 174 grains. The soft point bullet weighs a few grains more. Hunters with two moulds can make their own hard and soft point bullets. The proper charge is 22 to 23 grains' weight of the Hercules "Lightning" powder, or 23 grains weight Du Pont Military No. 21. The Marlin Fire Arms Co. state that they found this ammunition equal to the regular factory high power cartridges, and recommend it to users of their arms, if the loading is done in accordance with their instructions. They also state that, in their opinion, rifle barrels will last much longer if this bullet is used than they will with metal jacketed bullets. No. 3 special tool with double adjustable chamber [ancestor of the present 310 tool] must be used: price, [*sob*] $3.00. Muzzle of shell should be slightly crimped in the front groove.

    "Price of single mould............................................. ..Special List, $1.50
    "Price of single mould for soft tip..............................Special List, 1.50
    "Price of .32-40 Caliber Gas Checks per thousand.....Special List, 1.10 [*gasp*]"

    Although the tip moulds were dropped after a few years, the main mould was offered until 1978, the last few years as a special order item from Lyman.

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    Maybe..Click image for larger version. 

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    That's a rare find, awesome! Thank you for sharing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazoo View Post
    That's a rare find, awesome! Thank you for sharing.

    Laughing... yeah, now I just have to find someone with the other part... see if they want to sell theirs or buy mine!
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    The 319295 isn’t all that rare… it was also used to cast the whole bullet in a single pou without adding the soft nose first. There were also some pisto and revolver bullets that came out many years later, IIRC.
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    Shame I sold the 319295 I had a while back.
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    I've got the 321297 composite mould set. I think it is for the 32 Winchester Special.

    Someday.......... I am going to give it a whirl. LOL.

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