Trail Boss Alternative for subs in 308 win family?

[steve urquell]

Tried trail boss but didn’t like it so I tried tin star=N32C and found it worked great with cast loads in my Krags and Springfields. But sadly I'm down to 2 cans. I do have red dot and clays though. Never heard of RS14.

Here's the Red Dot data from the gmdr link above for 30-06
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[racepres]

Here's the Red Dot data from the gmdr link above for 30-06
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Odd...Last I knew "the Load" was 13.0 gr Red Dot... What happened??

[steve urquell]

Odd...Last I knew "the Load" was 13.0 gr Red Dot... What happened??

I'm not sure what "the load" means in this context. That link is full of great data on several fast burning powders for light loads.

[RickinTN]

Odd...Last I knew "the Load" was 13.0 gr Red Dot... What happened??

"The Load" isn't subsonic. Just the most likely load to be accurate as found by Ed Harris. The previous "The Load" was 16 grains of 2400. There are several powders that will work for a mid range plinking load with fast powders but nowhere does Mr. Harris say it is Subsonic.
Good Luck,
Rick

[RickinTN]

Odd...Last I knew "the Load" was 13.0 gr Red Dot... What happened??

"The Load" isn't subsonic. Just the most likely load to be accurate as found by Ed Harris. The previous "The Load" was 16 grains of 2400. There are several powders that will work for a mid range plinking load with fast powders but nowhere does Mr. Harris say it is Subsonic.
Good Luck,
Rick

[racepres]

"The Load" isn't subsonic. Just the most likely load to be accurate as found by Ed Harris. The previous "The Load" was 16 grains of 2400. There are several powders that will work for a mid range plinking load with fast powders but nowhere does Mr. Harris say it is Subsonic.
Good Luck,
Rick

My Bad...I missed the subsonic part!! I slink away now..

[Longranger44]

It's not a concern with these fast powders. Take a good look at the extensive amt of low velocity data here. You can use the 30-30 or 30-06 data for your .308. I've been using the 32-20 data for my .300BLK for years.

http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

Ok but do the data account for variables like shooting uphill, downhill, etc? It's one thing to have consistency between shots on a flat bench at the range but if you're shooting flat once and then the next shot is downhill like in a hunting situation, and there's a lot of empty space in a big case and all the powder slides forward against the front of the case away from the primer...do these faster powders still perform as well as a bulky powder like trail boss that does a better job filling the case?

[john.k]

Small charges of fast powder in large volume cases always carries the risk of chamber ring forming.

[steve urquell]

Ok but do the data account for variables like shooting uphill, downhill, etc? It's one thing to have consistency between shots on a flat bench at the range but if you're shooting flat once and then the next shot is downhill like in a hunting situation, and there's a lot of empty space in a big case and all the powder slides forward against the front of the case away from the primer...do these faster powders still perform as well as a bulky powder like trail boss that does a better job filling the case?

I cannot say with authority that powder position in all cases of those loads does not matter because I have not personally tested them.

I tested powder position in .300blk with 3.5-4.5gr of unique as well as TiteWad when I started using the 32-20 data and found no change in impact on the target at 50yds and no signs of pressure difference in the primer or brass. At the time I did not have a chrono so I do not have SD info.

Before I ever started down that road I read as many reports on reduced loads as I could find. When I turned up overpressure info it was from:
1. reduced slow burning rifle powder charges,
2. double charges being dropped or
3. when someone was attempting to manipulate the powder position with fillers.

As with any reloading off the standard path proceed cautiously and look for signs of overpressure if you choose to proceed.

Maybe contact the author of the GMDR page and get their input. Here's another great read on it on that site:
http://www.gmdr.com/lever/pistolpowi.htm

[Tripplebeards]

I wonder how green that would do I have an 8 lb jug. You never hear much about green dot anymore either.

I use about 4.2 grains in my colt 45 of trail trailboss along with a magnum pistol primer and a lee 255 grain boolit. Out of ew vaquero It drives tacs at 25 yards with 22wmr recoil. It's a pretty slow load. Around 525fps if I remember.

[steve urquell]

Tried trail boss but didn’t like it so I tried tin star=N32C and found it worked great with cast loads in my Krags and Springfields. But sadly I'm down to 2 cans. I do have red dot and clays though. Never heard of RS14.

There is .45LC Green Dot data here
https://shootersreference.com/reloadingdata/45-colt/

[popper]

I've used red dot in BO, 30/30 for plinking. Haven't seen the position sensitivity yet. I use a single shot CVA so random 'position' of the rnd when loaded. But BO is a small case. I did notice the problem in 308-30/30 with unique. 2400 worked much better there. Smokeless powder depends on adjacent heat to ignite - loose 'packing' of the powder changes the ignition rate of the powder. Most fast pistol powder is easier to ignite so less problem.

[kenton]

I wonder how green that would do I have an 8 lb jug. You never hear much about green dot anymore either.

I use about 4.2 grains in my colt 45 of trail trailboss along with a magnum pistol primer and a lee 255 grain boolit. Out of ew vaquero It drives tacs at 25 yards with 22wmr recoil. It's a pretty slow load. Around 525fps if I remember.

https://www.alliantpowder.com/reload...spx?powderid=5

Here is some more load data.

[hollywood63]

I just loded 162gr fmj's with Shooters World Buffalo very soft shooting I've never had or tried TB so I can't compare. But Buffalo is available and fairly "cheap"

[clearwater]

I wonder how green that would do I have an 8 lb jug. You never hear much about green dot anymore either.

I use about 4.2 grains in my colt 45 of trail trailboss along with a magnum pistol primer and a lee 255 grain boolit. Out of ew vaquero It drives tacs at 25 yards with 22wmr recoil. It's a pretty slow load. Around 525fps if I remember.

GMDR site likes green dot. Also Lyman Cast manual has green dot loads for many cartridges with lighter bullets. I am having pretty good results with IMR Green in 308, 25-06, and 375 Ruger with plain base. Using Red Dot or Green Dot recipes from manuals.