Anyone tried it? We use 2400 to push the Lee 170 to 1850 fps, but it has become prohibitively expensive, so I am looking for an alternative.
Anyone tried it? We use 2400 to push the Lee 170 to 1850 fps, but it has become prohibitively expensive, so I am looking for an alternative.
Bartletts has WC 872 for $100 8 lb jug. You have shipping and hazmat but there are plenty of loads on Castpics.
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I use a cast 190 with 'The Load' of Red Dot in my Rem700 .30-06 with good results.
I'd encourage doing a search and read up on it.
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Oh. With pressure curves & all, that sort of gets ya back to higher weights of the rifle powders.
When I found myself doing 99% of my shooting on the rifle range, or just at paper-
I switched away from the 30-ish grain loads of rifle powders.
If I ever get back to seeking out helpless wild life to slaughter,
I still have a stash of Sierra Game Kings loaded up.
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For something like this, Quickload can be useful, but I do not trust it to be "accurate" especially with small charges in long barrels. Also some of the powders in the table may be completely unsuitable for this kind of "non-standard" service.
Looking at the data, SW BO is a good bit slower than 2400. This is ok if you have a reason to reduce chamber pressure, but note that muzzle pressure and required charge go up a good bit. I would tend to go the other direction. I included a handful of powders that look interesting to me. Of the SW powders, Heavy Pistol is probably closer to 2400.
Code:Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI) Bullet : .309, 170, LEE C309-170-F Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.140 inch = 79.76 mm Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations. USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON ! Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time % Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms --------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hodgdon Universal 49.2 18.0 1.17 1850 100.0 39479 3603 1.379 Alliant UNIQUE 47.5 17.5 1.13 1850 100.0 36104 3686 1.418 Alliant HERCO 51.0 18.3 1.18 1850 100.0 34668 3735 1.440 Accurate No.5 31.4 18.5 1.20 1850 100.0 31133 3834 1.484 Shooters World Auto Pistol 31.4 18.5 1.20 1850 100.0 31118 3835 1.484 Accurate No.7 32.9 20.2 1.31 1850 100.0 25791 4134 1.604 Accurate No.9 35.7 21.6 1.40 1850 100.0 23961 4326 1.647 Shooters World Heavy Pistol 35.3 21.6 1.40 1850 100.0 23961 4326 1.647 Alliant 2400 38.3 20.7 1.34 1850 100.0 22561 4519 1.694 Shooters World Blackout 42.5 25.3 1.64 1850 97.8 19906 5371 1.767
Last edited by P Flados; 02-29-2024 at 01:04 AM.
I’ve used it to great success with the Lee 170 in 30-30. Don’t remember the charge off hand but the accuracy was there.
Shooters World Blackout says right on the label that it's similar to AA1680. So long as you start low and work up the loads you could probably use 1680 data. However, when using any "substitute" powders, when approaching top loads all bets are off.
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |