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    I'm a believer

    I just bought a new Smith m57 in 41 mag
    I have done a ton of searches on this caliber and keep hearing how accurate and managable it is when compared to the 44 magnum. From my personal experience I can attest all that is true, for me anyway. Just today I was out at the range banging steel at 50 yards consistantly(iron sights) and that never happened with any of the 44 mags I have owned. Got my mold yesterday from Tom @ Accurate and started casting boolits didn't have time to powder coat so I did it the old fashioned way, size and lube. That is another wow factor no leading in the barrel at all looks like I was shooting powder coated boolits that never happened with any 44 or 45 cal I owned, just another plus. I can see why some are so attached to the middle caliber, it works and works well. I should have came around a lot sooner.
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    Cool.

    I seem to remember the .41 being marketed to Law Enforcement types that wanted something more than the .357,
    but not be quite as heavy as the .44. But it just never seemed to take off.
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    Evan Marshall is a big believer in the .41 if I remember correctly. I have never tried one, good that you got one that works well!

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    I have a Blackhawk and a contender in .41 mag. Like them a lot.

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    I have two Blackhawks in 41 mag. Love them. A New Model 4 5/8" and an Old model 6.5". Been keeping an eye open for an early model S&W 57 at a decent price.

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    I'm with you Bloodhound, would love a vintage S&W 57. Boy are they pricey these days!!

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    The .41 Magnum is one of my all-time favorite revolvers. The other being the .45acp revolver and 1911's. My 57 will do anything I am capable of doing. The Model 58 failed mostly because it came in the big old smith N frame, which is not light by any stretch of the imagination. Most police officers found it heavy to carry and women coming into police work found the recoil too heavy. I would like to have a Model 58 but the price these days is just out of my reach. I should have bought one years ago when they were affordable. my experience anyway, james

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    I never had a 41 or a 44 mag but unless you shoot really heavy bullets in the 44 it does not seem to have a performance advantage judging from the loading data I have. One advantage of the 44 is that you have more choices of factory ammo and you can shoot .44 Russian and .44 Special. I don't know if the mid power 41 mag factory ammo is still available. 410 vs. 429 not a lot of difference really kind of like the difference between 30-06 cal and 8 x 57 mm, 308 vs 323 in these cases the gun makes a bigger difference than the cartridge.

    If you got a nice mdl 27 excellent but I don't really see how it is that different than a mdl 29. I am thinking it might sort of be the luck of the draw. Your bullets are a good match for the throats and bore and the gun as no thread choke or other malady. Did you even slug the bore or measure the throats. How did you decide what diameter to size your bullets. Nothing wrong with being lucky

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    white eagle, in my opinion, you made a great choice. I got my first .41 mag in 1970. A Ruger Black Hawk old model. Christmas gift from mom and dad. Shortly followed by a Lynan 41032 mold. I didn't know then that was the only mold I would ever need. With 8 to 10 grains of Unique, it will do everything. Really accurate and hard hitting. But of course I had to have every 41 mould I could get my hands on. None of them shot bad. The .41 is the most naturally accurate caliber I have ever shot. I got a model 57 in 1978. Took it to Alaska twice. Got a bull caribou at 173 yards with a 210 Sierra and a case full of 296. Desert Eagle in .41 mag joined me in 1987. Model 58 came along about four years ago. Love them all. I've had a lot of handguns in my life, but my favorites have always been .41 magnums.

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    Great cartridge.
    I have a 1972 model 57 and a Ruger SBH Hunter. Great revolvers.
    If a 41 won't stop it, I wouldn't bet my life on a 44.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    I never had a 41 or a 44 mag but unless you shoot really heavy bullets in the 44 it does not seem to have a performance advantage judging from the loading data I have. One advantage of the 44 is that you have more choices of factory ammo and you can shoot .44 Russian and .44 Special. I don't know if the mid power 41 mag factory ammo is still available. 410 vs. 429 not a lot of difference really kind of like the difference between 30-06 cal and 8 x 57 mm, 308 vs 323 in these cases the gun makes a bigger difference than the cartridge.

    If you got a nice mdl 27 excellent but I don't really see how it is that different than a mdl 29. I am thinking it might sort of be the luck of the draw. Your bullets are a good match for the throats and bore and the gun as no thread choke or other malady. Did you even slug the bore or measure the throats. How did you decide what diameter to size your bullets. Nothing wrong with being lucky

    Tim
    you said yourself you have had neither but seem to lean towards the 44 a good caliber by all rite
    nope didn't slug anything put my trust in the company doing things rite, which they did apparently
    seems like there isn't all that messing around needed when you do things rite
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winger Ed. View Post
    Cool.

    I seem to remember the .41 being marketed to Law Enforcement types that wanted something more than the .357,
    but not be quite as heavy as the .44. But it just never seemed to take off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by white eagle View Post
    you said yourself you have had neither but seem to lean towards the 44 a good caliber by all rite
    nope didn't slug anything put my trust in the company doing things rite, which they did apparently
    seems like there isn't all that messing around needed when you do things rite
    Nope not interested in a 44 mag. nor a 41. They don't seem different enough to matter. A MDL 27 or a MDL 29 same gun different chamber and bore. I don't lean to the 44 I was just mentioning pros and cons.

    Luck of the draw I would say. Not every revolver from S&W is made right.

    Glad you got lucky, good shooting.

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    (Sigh)

    Another innocent shooter is lured into The Cult.

    Next it’ll be 16-gauge shotguns.

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    White Eagle now you need to find yourself a nice Henry lever gun in 41 magnum to go with your model 57.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winger Ed. View Post
    Cool.

    I seem to remember the .41 being marketed to Law Enforcement types that wanted something more than the .357,
    but not be quite as heavy as the .44. But it just never seemed to take off.
    Ed, you are right....the 41 was hailed as being almost as powerful as the 44 but not as hard to shoot. I carried both at different times and found that I really could not tell the difference between recoil and power. I stayed with the 44 as the selection of bullets was better. Back in the day the only HP bullets were jacketed and the police load was a lead load SW. I found that the CCI 200 grain Law Enforcement load was truly accurate and very controllable.

    Back to the thread....my 57 was extremely accurate and a great gun and I am proud for your research and acquiring a fine ole Model 57.
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    The San Antonio, Texas PD issued the model 58 in .41 mag at one time, but they did not stay in service for very long. I'm going on memory but believe they were adopted in late 60's, early 70's but were pulled out of use within a few years. It's not uncommon to see 58's marked with San Antonio Police Department stamps.

    I've owned both and all the comments are true - but the 44 has an edge in that components and factory ammo are easier to find.

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    Groo here
    Am a big fan but don't shoot them much now.
    Started with a SBH for dad and deer, then a short barrel , an m-58 came next , really hooked now, A 3 inch 657 , and lastly a pair of custom SS new vaqueros.
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    Never found one that did not shoot well and the customs shoot "lights out"

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    Back up to the range and at the 100 yard bench I had the most hits on a 8" steel than I ever had with any of the 44's I owned, and there have been many
    Hit em'hard
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    Hi..
    I own and regularly shoot four .41Magnum revolvers.

    I have two BlackHawks, a new model and an old model, a S&W 57 and a Dan Wesson.
    Probably my favorite handgun caliber...I would have more if I could stumble across one at the right time and the right price.

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