Looking for a heavy 9mm boolit

[nueces5]

Hello everyone, we are thinking with a friend to start shooting a heavy boolit in ipsc
It is increasingly difficult to get gunpowder, and more expensive.
So we thought about making our gun perform, using heavier boolits.
We live in Argentina, so I don't have much variety.
I was thinking about the new lee 147 grain tc, or the classic 147 grain round nose design from MP



I have a tanfoglio stock II and my friend a cz shadow, at least I have achieved more precision with an rcbs TC mold than with the 135 grain rnfp mp, that is why I am tempted by the TC mold, even if it has a different meplat angle
Has anyone tried any of these? I think the MP molds are better quality than the Lee ones.
thoughts?

[Handloader109]

Had a NOE 154gr and it would hit lands when loaded correctly. I sold it and use the cast boolits in 357.... I like the shape of the lee.

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[waco]

If you want to look at some of what Tom offers from Accurate molds, this one might interest you.
https://accuratemolds.com/bullet_det...bullet=35-147B

[joebaja]

I haven't tried the new Lee mold, but I have loaded bunches of the MP 147 RN. My older Canik-made CZ/Tanfo clone (Tristar T-120) is a tack driver with it and a stout load of Blue Dot. Sames with a moderate load of Power Pistol. For the heavy bullet fast powder loads, I get good results with the MP 359-147 (https://www.mp-molds.com/product/mp-359-147-bb/).
In both cases, they need to be seated deep to stay off of the lands in a tight chamber, but the old advice of "start low and work up" get you there.

[sigep1764]

The Elco mold from NOE is made for CZs! In solid form, it casts over 155 grains. Th nose is designed to clear short leades in a lot of modern barrels

[Coopaloop86]

Second the MP heavy. Its an absolute tack driver out of all my guns with a stout load of super slow powder. I use VV N350 and can keep it on paper at 100 yards out of a Glock 17.

[lotech]

Most accurate 9mm bullet I've found to date has been the obsolete Lyman #358212, a 150 grain round nose for the .38 Special. sized to .357" or .358".

[nueces5]

Remember, I live in Argentina, it is difficult to bring things.
It's good to know the opinion of those who have weapons similar to mine. When you shoot 300 rounds a week, any savings is welcome.
The MP mold is winning the race.
The ELCO looks very interesting, maybe I'll start a campaign to see if I can buy it when it's available.

[BRatigan]

The MP molds are as good as you can get and shipping is beyond fast at least to the US. Hope you can find what will work for you.

[Soundguy]

round noses tend to feed better in pickier feed ramp geometries...

[jdgabbard]

Another option, if you have the mold, would be the 358311 for the 38spl and 357mag. Lyman used to publish load data for this, although it has been removed over time, likely due to popularity of their other molds. Here is some info on the data from the Lyman 44th:

[nueces5]

Another option, if you have the mold, would be the 358311 for the 38spl and 357mag. Lyman used to publish load data for this, although it has been removed over time, likely due to popularity of their other molds. Here is some info on the data from the Lyman 44th:

This is why I want to use a heavy boolit, because the savings in powder are substantial!

Thanks!!

[Kosh75287]

Check out the SAECO #383 140 gr. LSWC mold. The mold is by no means inexpensive, but I've NEVER had a bullet work better than this one in 9mmP and .38 Super.
If you are still wondering if bullets weighing over 130 gr. will work well in your pistols, you might try ordering some of the 147gr. "Subsonic Grooveless" FPs from Missouri Bullets and giving them a run through your pistols. These are NOT the same as the SAECO #383, but they seem to work very well in my 9mmP pistols and carbine.

https://missouribullet.com/details.p...ry=8&keywords=

[jdgabbard]

This is why I want to use a heavy boolit, because the savings in powder are substantial!

Thanks!!

You’re welcome. I’ve never run this load, but I’ve thought about it for my 9mm Carbines. It used to be fairly popular from what I gather.

[243winxb]

Brass wall thickness is important, when the base of the bullet goes deeper into the case. A bulge can keep rounds from chambering. Bullet diameter, if to big, adds to the problem.

My test with Blazer brass was ok. USA brass jammed.

See post #75 https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph....925253/page-3



Nov 29, 2023

See post #75 at link.
Tested today-
9mm Luger in Taurus G3C.
Bullet- 163 gr lswc, Saeco #382, .3568" sized diameter. Length .707"
Loaded COL 1.026" Head to Shoulder .778"

Load data found for HS-6. Start 3.0 grs to 3.7 grs for 160 gr coated bullet. Fed 200 Mag Primer used. Worked up to 3.7 grs, shot 5 rounds, standing, 2 hands, 7 yards.

Ok with Blazer range brass. Jammed with 1 USA brass that measured .001" to large in the case body. Right at the bullets base.
A known problem with some brass, bullet combinations.

Not a loading i normally would use, just a test

Heavy bullets tend to use slower powder & more of it, if higher velocity is needed.

The Hodgdon website has data for a 160 gr coated bullet. To compare powders.

[jdgabbard]

Brass wall thickness is important, when the base of the bullet goes deeper into the case. A bulge can keep rounds from chambering. Bullet diameter, if to big, adds to the problem.

My test with Blazer brass was ok. USA brass jammed.

See post #75 https://www.thehighroad.org/index.ph....925253/page-3

Your chamber also matters. Some chambers will handle the bulge, some not so much.

[243winxb]

Power factor https://www.dillonprecision.com/powe...alculator.html

[Sandspider500]

MP 360-640 hp
Large hollow point is 145gr, solid I think is 155gr.


Description: 360-640 hp 4.2gr cfe pistol 1.145
Notes 1: 145gr hollow point
Notes 2:
Distance to Chrono (FT): 10.00
Ballistic Coefficient: 1.000
Bullet Weight (gr): 145.000
Altitude (FT): 0.0
Temp: N/A
BP: N/A
Shots
# FPS FT-LBS PF
17 897 259.10 130.07
16 897 259.10 130.07
15 895 257.95 129.77
14 905 263.74 131.23
13 910 266.67 131.95
12 902 262.00 130.79
11 895 257.95 129.77
10 900 260.84 130.50
9 907 264.91 131.51
8 899 260.26 130.35
7 893 256.79 129.49
6 894 257.37 129.63
5 882 250.51 127.89
4 877 247.68 127.17
3 889 254.50 128.90
2 873 245.42 126.58
1 882 250.51 127.89
Average: 893.94
StdDev: 10.41
Min: 873
Max: 910
Spread: 37
True MV: 894.96
Shots/sec: 0.10

[justindad]

Check out the SAECO #383 140 gr. LSWC mold. The mold is by no means inexpensive, but I've NEVER had a bullet work better than this one in 9mmP and .38 Super.
If you are still wondering if bullets weighing over 130 gr. will work well in your pistols, you might try ordering some of the 147gr. "Subsonic Grooveless" FPs from Missouri Bullets and giving them a run through your pistols. These are NOT the same as the SAECO #383, but they seem to work very well in my 9mmP pistols and carbine.

https://missouribullet.com/details.p...ry=8&keywords=

There’s load data for that Saeco boolit in the latest Lyman’s Cast manual. That boolit consumes relatively low space in the case, so more powder is needed. You can get great velocities from it.
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The OP needs not just a heavy boolit, but one that seats deeply and likely has a small OACL.

[jdgabbard]

There’s load data for that Saeco boolit in the latest Lyman’s Cast manual. That boolit consumes relatively low space in the case, so more powder is needed. You can get great velocities from it.
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The OP needs not just a heavy boolit, but one that seats deeply and likely has a small OACL.

And likely meets a power factor of 160, which is going to be hard. The 160gr 358311 at 1050fps does this. Barely, but it does hit 160…


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