For 30 cal up to 2500fps in a Lyman 450
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For 30 cal up to 2500fps in a Lyman 450
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Lars 2500+
Works well for me in my .308 running the XCB bullet at 2600fps and holding 2MOA at 500 yards.
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I second the White Label 2500+ lube. I have gone to using it in just about everything now.
For all my rifle boolits, I've always used Lyman Orange Magic.
It's kind of pricey, but in this age of $20. a case beer, and people thinking $7.oo for a cup of coffee is fine,
and no more of it than I use,,,, I just give 'em their money and move on.
Sometimes, I add one on to bump an order up enough to get free shipping.
Looking at it that way, it's more or less free.
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Lithium - Beeswax , known commercially as Lithi-Bee Lube .
Consists of :
1 part lithium grease (Lucas Red-N-Tacky)
3 parts beeswax
The commercial maker told me they used 8 lbs. lithium grease with 24 lbs beeswax when they made a batch ... he no longer makes lube ...or I would still buy the premade sticks for my Lyman 450 .
Now I make it in a slow cooker with 1 lb Lucas R-N-T and 3 lbs beeswax .
I fill the 450 lube chamber with hot lube and let it cool and harden ... I never had luck making hollow sticks... so I cheat !
This makes a soft lube . I like soft lubes but
If you like a harder lube you can add up to 1 part Gulf Wax , hard paraffin wax , to get a firmer / harder consistency ... start by adding 1/4 or 1/2 lb of Gulf Wax , add just enough to firm up , no more .
I've tried all manner of lube over the last 50 years but keep coming back to Lithi-Bee ... Never a leading problem with it ... it simply works .
Use in all handgun and 30 cal. rifle : 30-30 , 30-06 , 7,5 Swiss and 303 British
Gary
Last edited by gwpercle; 11-18-2023 at 07:30 PM.
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Simple Lube made as the sticky above in the Lube section. It works for me is hot summer and Cold NY winters. It just works for all my needs from 22 K-Hornet to 50BMG.
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If you are gonna buy some, White Label lubes is the place to buy from, I prefer Carnuba Red as it's not as tacky as 2500+ ...but knowing the basic formula of 2500+ lube, it's also a good choice.
BUT
If you want to make your own, I would suggest 666+1 (satan's lube). see post #5 for recipe
https://castboolits.gunloads.com/sho...=1#post2653932
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I started out with Ben's Red back when I pan lubed. When I got the lubesizer I tried Fryxell's black (moly grease and beeswax). I became leery of using moly so I went back to Ben's but, now use a simpler version, basically Lithi-Bee. I typically add some carnuba to stiffen it.
As you can tell, just about anything will work. If I were to buy some I'd go to White Label.
NRA 50/50.
Alox/Beeswax.
It`s the only lube that I`ve used in 60 years of casting.
As mentioned either the White label 2500+ or the NRA 50/50 lubes are the best to use. I use both from miniscule handgun and cat's sneeze loads at 500 fpe +?_ up through 3000 fps loads.
I conducted an extensive test of 13 different lubes at 2500 fps. The 2500+ and 50/50 lubes produced the best accuracy. The results are buried in the RPM threads but I can repost if you want?
Last edited by Larry Gibson; 11-19-2023 at 10:26 AM.
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One of our late members, Felix, came up with a great lube that many of us have used for years.
It is known as Felix World Famous Lube (FWFL). Do a search, you should find it easily. I may even be a sticky. I've used it to around 2700 fps.
The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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Forget everything you know about loading jacketed bullets. This is a whole new ball game!
I use 2500+ in everything with excellent results
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I use BAC for my pistol loads and LBT Blue for most of my rifle loads.
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I've shifted over to 2500+; the cost of store-bought lube being negligible in the grand scheme of things.
Ben's Red slightly stiffened with extra beeswax is a good recipe to have in your back pocket for a home brew. While I found it to be pretty messy for auto pistols and revolvers (and wouldn't want to try it in anything with a gas system), it's fantastic for anything with a closed breech sending everything out the muzzle.
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I used to bother making various Lube recipes back when I was still lubing stuff. Now I PC all my boolits. But when I got tired of making lube I eventually settled on Carnuba Red. It was a fantastic general purpose lube. These days, I've been considering playing around with lubed PC boolits in some rifle loads. And I'd probably try it first if I decide to do that. But, I haven't kept up much with the lube options over the last 10 years or so...
JDGabbard's Feedback Thread
Jdgabbard's very own boolit boxes pattern!
GOA and FPC have done more in the last decade than your NRA has done in it's entire existence... Support the ones that actually do something for you.
White Label BAC
for everything. Nothing faster than 1825 in my usage.
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I use White Label 50/50 for everything, but I don't push the envelope with high power rifles either. I do run it full pressure in 30-30, with a gas checked bullet of course.
I too would like to see Larry's testing again.
I PC some of my boolits. The others get Carnuba Blue. Have not found its upper limit yet.
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |