Same powder, different name

[pertnear]

I just learned that ACC-2230 is the same as Ramshot X-Terminator. Got me to wondering, is there a list of powders that are the same but had a name change? I did a search but didn't get any good info back. I asked the question to ChatGPT(AI) & here is the response I got back.

Question I asked AI: Is there a list of smokeless reloading powders that are the same but have different names?

ChatGPT's Response:
Yes, in the world of reloading powders, it's not uncommon to find different powders with different brand names that are nearly identical in terms of burn rate and performance. These are sometimes referred to as "equivalents" or "clones." These powders are often made by different manufacturers but are designed to provide similar ballistic performance.

However, it's important to note that while some powders may have similar burn rates, they may have subtle differences that can affect performance and safety, so it's crucial to refer to reloading manuals and guidance from the powder manufacturer for specific load data and recommendations. Here are a few examples of equivalent powders:

1) Hodgdon H4895 and IMR 4895: These powders are known to be very close in terms of burn rate and can often be used interchangeably in many rifle cartridges.

2) Vihtavuori N320 and Alliant Unique: While they are from different manufacturers, these powders have a similar burn rate and are used in handgun cartridges.

3) Accurate No. 5 and Alliant Power Pistol: These powders are used for similar purposes and have close burn rates.

4) Winchester 231 and Hodgdon HP-38: These powders are often considered equivalent and used for similar purposes in handgun reloading.

Remember, while these powders may be interchangeable in many cases, always start with the minimum recommended load and work your way up while observing safe reloading practices and paying close attention to pressure signs. The manufacturer's load data and guidelines should always be followed to ensure safety and optimal performance. If you have any doubt, consult a reloading manual or an experienced reloader for guidance.

I thought this was interesting, but looking at a burning rate chart can do just as good a job grouping similar powders together.

[cabezaverde]

WW540 and HS6

[challenger_i]

Well, I took the precaution of putting on my FR clothing...

It is rather common that some people believe comparable powders (I will use W231/HP38 and IMR4895/H4895 as examples) may be readily interchanged, grain for grain. However, I have found significant differences in the loading specifications and velocities published in the major loading manuals. Use caution when using similar yet different powders interchangeably.

Also, do bear in mind Chat GPT has, as yet, to load and fire the first cartridge...

[elmacgyver0]

Even the same powder of different lots can have differences.

[pertnear]

I agree that assuming your own reloading data is risky business. The old rule of cut back 10% & work-back-up holds forever true. Everyone be safe!!

[nicholst55]

In recent reloading manuals, you should find that W231 and HP-38 share data, as they are the same powder in different cans. Same with H110 and W296. They're produced and packaged in the same plant, just in different containers.

[jreidthompson1]

Shooters world to lovex

https://shootersworldpowder.com/reloading-guide/

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[jreidthompson1]

There are a couple of threads if you google

list of same powder different name

You can decide how much you trust the info therein

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[MT Gianni]

Similar burn rates in no way relate to the same powder or charge loads.

[Kosh75287]

Hodgdon H414 and W760, HP-38 and W231 (as mentioned), H110 and W296 (ALSO mentioned).
The "reduce maximum load by 10% and work up" rule is FAIRLY universal, and prudent. The exception to this that I think of is W296, with which a reduction of no more than 3% from max is recommended. If it is true for W296, one would THINK that it is also true for H110, but published reloading data may not indicate that.
I tend to use one of the 4227s or Alliant 2400 for "maximum effort" magnum revolver rounds, rather than H110. I leave the H110 for the carbine shooters and others who like to mess with it.

[kerplode]

Although similar burn rates, H4895 and IMR4895 are not identical and not directly interchangeable.

[GONRA]

GONRA figgers pretty soon Chat GPT will hear about this discussion
and post weighty thoughts directly....
WATCHOUT! !!

[marvelshooter]

Hodgdon High Gun is the same as Titegroup according to many sources including a thread here.

[dverna]

In recent reloading manuals, you should find that W231 and HP-38 share data, as they are the same powder in different cans. Same with H110 and W296. They're produced and packaged in the same plant, just in different containers.

Exactly. I have used both powders a lot and they are the same.

I do not use the other powders listed so will not comment.

[pcmacd]

I just learned that ACC-2230 is the same as Ramshot X-Terminator. Got me to wondering, is there a list of powders that are the same but had a name change? I did a search but didn't get any good info back. I asked the question to ChatGPT(AI) & here is the response I got back.

Question I asked AI: Is there a list of smokeless reloading powders that are the same but have different names?

ChatGPT's Response:
Yes, in the world of reloading powders, it's not uncommon to find different powders with different brand names that are nearly identical in terms of burn rate and performance. These are sometimes referred to as "equivalents" or "clones." These powders are often made by different manufacturers but are designed to provide similar ballistic performance.

However, it's important to note that while some powders may have similar burn rates, they may have subtle differences that can affect performance and safety, so it's crucial to refer to reloading manuals and guidance from the powder manufacturer for specific load data and recommendations. Here are a few examples of equivalent powders:

1) Hodgdon H4895 and IMR 4895: These powders are known to be very close in terms of burn rate and can often be used interchangeably in many rifle cartridges.

2) Vihtavuori N320 and Alliant Unique: While they are from different manufacturers, these powders have a similar burn rate and are used in handgun cartridges.

3) Accurate No. 5 and Alliant Power Pistol: These powders are used for similar purposes and have close burn rates.

4) Winchester 231 and Hodgdon HP-38: These powders are often considered equivalent and used for similar purposes in handgun reloading.

Remember, while these powders may be interchangeable in many cases, always start with the minimum recommended load and work your way up while observing safe reloading practices and paying close attention to pressure signs. The manufacturer's load data and guidelines should always be followed to ensure safety and optimal performance. If you have any doubt, consult a reloading manual or an experienced reloader for guidance.

I thought this was interesting, but looking at a burning rate chart can do just as good a job grouping similar powders together.

There is a sticky here that shows the equivalent products.

[Lloyd Smale]

wc820=aa9 pr200=aa2 wc296=110/296 wc297=1680 ww680=1680

[Lloyd Smale]

Although similar burn rates, H4895 and IMR4895 are not identical and not directly interchangeable.

that used to be the case just like the two 4227s and 4350's and 4831s there all made in the same plant at the same time. youll see as much differences lot to lot of the same powder as you will between the variations brand to brand. in all reality imr doesnt exist. its not like hogdon employees make hogdon powder and imr employees make imr powders. i use quite a bit of 4895 and you both interchangeably today and my chronograph proves there the same today. if your seeing a difference its probably a batch to batch thing

[Kestrel4k]

Yup, pretty much an "F" grade IMO; only identifying "similar" powders while missing the identical ones (i.e. coming off the same production line) having only different names: W296/H110 just for starters - that was the 'easiest' for it to find. Also WC844=H335, H108=WC820.

Typically worthless.

[pcmacd]

Even the same powder of different lots can have differences.

That, and different test barrels, different propellant lots are most likely the major differences posted betwixt propellants such as HP38/W231.

[pcmacd]

wc820=aa9 pr200=aa2 wc296=110/296 wc297=1680 ww680=1680

Whoa! Not on my planet! WC820 - I bought 24# of this from Jeff Bartlett some time back. It was for loading 30 Carbine and was alleged to be a non-canister version of H110, which makes perfect sense. It is slightly slower than lots of cannister grade W296, and takes a half or a grain more in 44 mag to get an equivalent velocity of W296, which is an H110 twin (made in the same process line and interchangeable.)

While #9 is similar in burn rate, I would not call Wc820 and AA#9 twins by any stretch.