Looks like another loser from Winchester

[dverna]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ge-winchester/

I cannot wait to see the gun rags go ga-ga over this.

[Dancing Bear]

Yet caliber? Why?

[Texas by God]

I doubt that it will be as successful as the 5mm Remington Magnum…….


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[NSB]

I doubt that it will be as successful as the 5mm Remington Magnum…….


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And ammo will be a bit harder to get. Seriously, I can’t think of a thing it has to offer over current rimfire selections that is really any kind of improvement. I think I’ll pass.

[Grayone]

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...ge-winchester/

I cannot wait to see the gun rags go ga-ga over this.

I think they need to 'Barney Fife' this one and nip it in the bud...

[Handloader109]

"It'll be easy to change from a 22Lr to the 21 loser by just changing barrels"
just really? The question is why? 22LR, 22WMR, 22mag, 22TCM (center fire) why another

[Martin Luber]

Yup. Try to get shells 5 years from now.

[Txcowboy52]

Like others have said, I see no advantage to this . I chuckled at the comment , as easy to change as changing the barrel. Just another way to fleece the flock.

[45DUDE]

I'll probably stick to my Remington bolts. I have enough 1700fps ammo laying around + my Marlin mag that gets shot very little.

[HWooldridge]

Like the old saying goes, "A solution to a problem that doesn't exist."

[challenger_i]

By chance, did anyone read the comments at the bottom of the article?
At first glance, I agree that this round is an answer to a question no one asked, but the information
gleaned from the comments does present a viable reason for this cartridge's development.

[Recycled bullet]

I read the article. What's the point?

[6thtexas]

Winchester might ought to improve the rimfire products they currently sell. I have had problems with their 22LR stuff for a while.

That new cartridge will be expensive, especially when some won't fire.

[dverna]

Does anyone think that it costs 4 times more to make .22 Mag than .22 LR? Yet they charge that much more for a round that has been around for a very long time with many guns chambered for it.

This round needs a bullet that cannot be used in another caliber. Anything "special" translates to more expensive.

There are plenty of RF options to address any real need. Some gun rag will shoot enough groups to get a 3/4" group at 100 yards and the race will be on. There are a lot of dumb people in the world.

[35 Rem]

Sounds like about the dumbest idea I've heard in a while. The gun companies seem to be completely out of touch with what shooters want. Also they seem to think people are made of money and that most gun buyers are enthusiasts. Reality is that most people who buy guns want CHEAP. The ammo for this thing is going to always be non-existent and ridiculously expensive if you do ever find a box of it. And you can't make a rimfire equal a 222 Remington no matter how many stars you wish on. Everything you can realistically do with a rimfire can be done with either the 22LR or 22Mag. If you want more get a 22 Hornet.

What is annoying is that this will just further dilute the manufacturing capacity of the ammo makers that could be used to produce ammo for cartridges that already exist and are back ordered.

[elmacgyver0]

If they want to create a new RF round, why not a couple old ones and call them new.
Maybe .25 Stevens RF and .32 RF.

[Abert Rim]

What E.L. said. I think a re-introduced .25 Stevens would sell.

[Daekar]

Is this insurance against a lead free future?

The more I think about this, the more I believe this is the reason. I can't say that I've ever seen a heeled copper bullet. Some bean counter at the Winchester ammo offices did the math and figured it would be cheaper to build new equipment for a funky bullet diameter than a new cartridge case, and this is what they'll push if the greenies get their way and lead bullets are banned.

It doesn't make sense now, because today's environment isn't what it was designed for. It's like the folks in big sky country who look at the 35 Rem or 350 Legend and wonder what we're smoking over here out east... conditions are different, so different things make sense.

There is the minor detail that it's possible somebody will put together a cost-effective way to manufacture solid copper heeled bullets that work with all the existing 22LR guns out there (don't see why it shouldn't be possible...) and then the market appeal for this would dry up almost immediately. Gonna be honest, the price difference between this round and lead-free 22LR would have to be pretty stark for the ROI of replacing all my 22LR guns to make sense. I'm guessing it would take many years just to make up the price of one of them. Well, maybe not my little Kel-Tec, but I'd be loath to give it up anyway...

[dale2242]

I don`t understand the negativity about this round.
It may or may not be a success.
I`m sure there have been a lot of new rounds that have been chided.
Let`s wait and see.
If it`s not for you, why run it down?
What`s to be gained by that?

[Gtek]

It may be one of the last few remaining on the shelves "Next Time".