Will the USA be judged for its rebellion?

[Good Cheer]

Just thinking out loud... I'm certain there's lots of people who have concluded that America is currently under judgement.

[justindad]

Should the Israelites have stayed in Egypt?

[ioon44]

Should the Israelites have stayed in Egypt?

No, they are in the land that God promised to them by covenant.

[Good Cheer]

The return to the land is a currently ongoing fulfillment of the prophetic word.
And people look right at it and just bloop, it goes right over their heads!

[Good Cheer]

By the by, this is just a presentation I bumped into. Posting a link here as illustration of the muddle headed thinking common in the world today of people calling Israelites "Jews" and calling Judea "Israel" and identifying "Jews" as a race. It leads to thorough misunderstandings of what scripture says.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y8jyQKskdY

But that said, once you learn to smile at the goofy swapping out of names the presentation does have some finer points.

[Good Cheer]

Just something we were discussing today while out shopping and dining out...
Something sure is going to scare the bageebers out of the world to make everyone give their allegiance to the peace bringer (second beast) and I can't think of many things that would be more serving than to have the leading head of the world political system (first beast) grievously wounded.

[Alabama358]

Just something we were discussing today while out shopping and dining out...
Something sure is going to scare the bageebers out of the world to make everyone give their allegiance to the peace bringer (second beast) and I can't think of many things that would be more serving than to have the leading head of the world political system (first beast) grievously wounded.

Something that I have been considering lately is, What roll will AI play in the end times.

Imagine
- control over the entire banking system and personal bank accounts (and soon to be digital currency)
- control over the power grid, water systems etc.
- control over all "smart" devices, computer systems, facial recognition security cameras that are just about everywhere.
- ability to tell truth or deception by deflections in voice, pupil dilation and breathing etc.
- instant access to any and all internet post, text messages, recordings, purchases past and present.
- Ability to take on and animated image or with just a few words and an image of a person can create an almost indistinguishable "Deep Fake" video

Just to name a few and is advancing exponentially daily.

[Good Cheer]

I'd guess that it's something a lot of Christians are mulling over. The first beast is the political system. You make an image of it and what have you accomplished? Put an AI cybernetic system in charge of managing and enforcing compliance and you have a devil of a time.

[justindad]

Should Daniel have obeyed the decree of King Darius - forsake his prayers to GOD and pray to Darius instead?

[Alabama358]

Should Daniel have obeyed the decree of King Darius - forsake his prayers to GOD and pray to Darius instead?

I think that your question is rhetorical in nature and the obvious answer is of course not.

Daniel held fast in his Faith regardless of repercussions or inconvenience. Similar examples would be Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego or Paul and Silas.

Standing on your faith vs capitulating to the world is always a winning strategy.
To many folks... and truth be told "churches" are making major compromises in fear of upsetting worldly views and to keep the pews filled and the collection plates flowing.

Psalms 119:19
19 I am a stranger in the earth: hide not thy commandments from me.

John 15:19
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

1 John 2:15
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

[Good Cheer]

Concerning Daniel and for lack of a better place to post a question, has anyone thought that perhaps when three horns are plucked up (Daniel 7) that it could be the same event as the wounding of one of the heads (of the seven headed political system) as was shown to John in the Revelation?

[Good Cheer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Div1qZCWUWU

Just a compilation of Christians telling about what they've seen.

[.429&H110]

Schaeffer and Koop "Whatever Happened To The Human Race?" 1979

Remember C. Everett Koop MD? He wrote:

"Faithfulness to the Lordship of Christ means using the
constitutional processes while we still have them. We live in a
shrinking island of free constitutional practice. Only a small percentage
of countries in the world still possess this. The Lordship of Christ
means using these processes to speak and act on the basis of the
principles set forth in the Bible.
With Christ as Savior and Lord, we must do all we can to
lead others to Christ. And simultaneously we must use every
constitutional practice to offset the rise of authoritarian governments
and the loss of humanness in our society. But there is no use
in talking of offsetting the loss of humanness in society if we do
not act humanely to all people about us in the contacts of our individual lives."

America once had a Christian pediatrician Surgeon General...

[Good Cheer]

So very well said.

[dverna]

The "problem" is the Bible does not speak of freedom in the context we see it. In fact, slaves were told to obey their masters and people were told to obey the laws of their leaders as the leaders were put in place by God (as long as those laws did not usurp the teachings of the Bible). So, if the King wanted to tax let's say tea, that was his right and the tax must be paid.

If I am incorrect, point to specific scripture that points to freedom as a God given right.

God sent the Israelites into slavery in Egypt to punish them. If they had a right to freedom, it was something He decided to take from them. Would God not take away our freedom to punish us if that is His will?

[.429&H110]

I would never say you are wrong.
The democrats would like to see us as slaves, peons.
The Bible says a lot about slavery.
Various translations translate "freedom" differently.
The worst slavery is being a slave to sin,
locked in a loop of depression and addiction.
So the democrats open the border and legalize drugs.

America's founding freedom
was freedom to serve God any way we want
was freedom from taxation (until 1792)
was freedom to print anything we wanted
was freedom to say the government was wrong
and we took these freedoms at gunpoint.

"God given rights" sound good but
without the rule of law, we have no civil rights.

Psalms 119:45
44So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.

45And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

46I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.

Jesus came to free us!
and He narrowed down the law to two.

[Good Cheer]

Forget the lies about how free you are and it's really not much of a problem.

About judgement, yeah, Ruth Graham had the straight of it.
https://libquotes.com/ruth-graham/quote/lbd7v9v

[.429&H110]

We pray for the missionaries we sent to San Francisco
We haven't heard from them lately.

[Good Cheer]

About the USA being judged, the Lone Ranger bought a chain saw and put on a hockey mask.
Our "allies" would do little beyond a sigh of relief if we went away.
So yeah, perhaps our judgement is at hand.

[Daekar]

I don't see any reason to believe that the New Testament God would punish individuals on the basis of the behavior of their countrymen, especially those that were long dead before the individual was born. You could, if you wanted, argue that we are complicit in the present moral degeneracy of our neighbors because we haven't done everything in our power to stop it, but I think the Lord understands that everyone has limitations on what they are able to affect. There is an opportunity cost to all-consuming activism which often takes away from other things which we are commanded to look after, like hard work in an honest profession, generosity to the poor, or being good husbands and fathers to our wives and children.

If we're talking Old Testament God, He had very different expectations and standards. If we were still dealing with a world where Christ hadn't changed the game for us, we'd be screwed.