Why?
We have the 32 H&R, 327 FM, 30 Carb, 30 Luger.
I guess I am a Luddite - I don't see the need.
Marketing men at work! Separating the ill-informed from their money.
Sorry - I missed the earlier posts - the 30 SC is still an unneeded solution looking for a problem.
Last edited by tchepone; 02-20-2022 at 12:35 PM.
Try being informed instead of just opinionated.
Sometimes it is better to just smile and walk away.
You can always tell a Handloader, by his unceasing quest for spent brass.
Your post sums it up nicely. What is needed is a modern combat autopistol chambered for the 7.62x25, not another boutique, proprietary cartridge.
The ENEMY is listening.
HE wants to know what YOU know.
Keep it to yourself.
^^^this!Originally Posted by outpost75
Not even that, unless free PPSH-41's are going to start falling from the sky. If an ammo company wants to sell ammo, they need only produce more 9mm.
WWJMBD?
In the Land of Oz, we cast with wheel weight and 2% Tin, Man.
I agree it is not needed , but the way it looks is that just another marketing thing and the interesting part is how long will it stay on the market . They have a hard time at times to keep the well know ammo on the shelf.
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I was just thinking of all of the new cartridges that have came out in just the past 20 something years and are now almost nonexistent. Like, Winchesters WSM’s WSSM’s, Remingtons SAUM, RUM’s, Marlins MX series, Rugers
compact Magnums, and all of the AR rounds.
There are quite a few of them that are based on popular brass and If you have the dies and handload you will probably be OK but most of these use proprietary brass and it’s mostly disappearing quickly.
In new handgun cartridges I like the 327 Federal and it should be around for a long time but this 30 super carry ?
I believe it will be gone before most people have even heard of it.
Jedman
Ya know a BIG hole is always better!!!
I may be alone in this thought, but I doubt it. I like the new chamberings that come out. Reviewing the performance and the intended niche of the offering is fun. Most of us have already done this with all of the existing cartridges, so something new is welcome. Occasionally, they actually come out with a really good idea. Something you didn't know you needed or would even like. For example, the .300 blackout in an ar-15 package might just be the best purpose-built combo for whitetail hunting in Texas. I never dreamed I would say that when I picked up one to try, but now it would be easy to make an argument for it. It also works very well with cast, and cases can be had for free if you don't mind a little work. While it is unlikely that the 30 Super Carry would be that useful and popular, unless you try it you will never know.
"Is all this REALLY necessary?"
Supposedly it’s the first cartridge developed from the ground up for self defense….
What they fail to mention is that no police force or military would have any interest in it and would laugh if it was presented as a logical option over 9mm
Personally, I do not see the need or the market, however, I also do not see anything wrong with manufactures fielding new products. Some will takeoff like the 300 BO and the Creedmoor's. Most will fall flat but that is the nature of most new products. When the 17 HMR came out I thought it was useless. Now it is my favorite short range prairie dog cartridge. Same for the 3 1/2 12 gauge. I thought it was a 10-gauge wanabee. Now I love it for late season large geese and the 10-gauges went away.
Last edited by M-Tecs; 02-21-2022 at 06:41 PM.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when your reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
The 30 Stupid Carry will no doubt be remembered with such Classics as the 35 Winchester, 9 mm Browning Long, 41 AE, 225 Winchester, 460 Rowland and 470 Wildey.
What a pointless expenditure of effort.
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Your talking about the same police forces which some adopted 357 SIG. Never say never.
The only thing I've figured out about calibers is that you can never know which are going to take off or when. I see very little rhyme or reason. 3 1/2" 12 gauge got wildly popular right away, but then has been fading now for years. Most guns aren't even chambered in 3 1/2" anymore, where in 2000, you barely found a new model that wasn't. The 300 Blackout is the opposite, and a real headscratcher to me. It originally was called the 300 Whisper in 1992. It fell flat on its face. It was reintroduced in 2009 as the Blackout, and fell flat on its face at first, then just randomly caught like wild fire. One could argue it came at the same time as the AR15 really became popular. So then there is the 243 WSSM, which also works in the AR15, and is one of the flattest shooting cartridges you can get in the platform. I'm sure the cartridge is still around, but it mostly fizzled. A popular opinion is that AR's are the caliber deciders, but other than 300 BO, it seems to rarely be the true case. Take the 6.5 Grendel for instance, similar to the 243 WSSM, a real long range cartridge made just for the AR15. It seems to have done worse than the 243 WSSM, but is now seemingly getting more attention. It is often compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor, which doesn't even work in an AR15, but now every bolt action out there is chambered in that cartridge. Same with pistols. There's only ever been a couple of common calibers, 9mm luger, 38 special, 357 magnum, 45 acp, and 44 magnum. 40 S&W is the only one of late to really get traction to get into that group. And what is really bizarre is it is nothing but a weaker 10mm auto, which flopped, went decades, and is now quite popular.
It's all just a bunch of nonsense from the fickle group that we are. It has little to do with need. I'm not in line to get a 30 SC, but I'm not in any way surprised or disappointed that people want to buy it. I'm more amazed how predictable people are to ANY new caliber. You can copy and paste the original post, and it will be in every single thread about a new caliber, and it will be the same words said before the internet. I just want people to know that every time you say "a problem looking for a solution", you don't look smart. We all just collectively roll our eyes, even if you are right.
I shoot a lot of 225 Winchester both in its original form and in 6.5 JDJ. The 460 Rowlan also fulfills one of my applications perfectly.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when your reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
Same reason there is a new seasonal beer out every week and a new menu item every week at the fast food restaurants. There are enough people who want to try something new to make this stuff profitable. Sure there are flops, but can’t blame them for innovation. 3M used to (maybe still do) have a goal of 100 new products a year, understanding they may only keep one. You only need one sticky note to hit it big. My only complaint is when you find something you love just before it is discontinued.
There are a handful of cartridges marketed in the last 40 years that were needed. Without gun rag hype, the majority would have fallen into obscurity. And even with the hype, most have or will fail.
1/2% of the market might be able to shoot well enough to take advantage of another 150 fps and/or a .1 improvement in BC.
The most modern cartridge I use is the .40 S&W.
Don Verna
Vista came out with the .30SC to try and make money and it was easy for them to get SAAMI to approve a cartridge. Only advantage it has over 9x19 is you can fit more of them in the same mag than 9x19. Thats it. They can't keep up with current ammo demand, even on the most popular rounds. Primers are scarce. But they come out with a brand new round they all of a sudden found the time and components to make. That is what burns me up about it. Can't supply enough of what already exists but comes out with something nobody asks for.
No matter what niche, or boutique cartridge one refers to, there will always be somebody who leaps to defend the cartridge in question. I load the 327 Federal, .303 Savage, 32-40, 348 Winchester and 9 mm Largo, but I refuse to assert that they are anything more useful than simply being "different." And while there is nothing wrong with being different, that does not make it the same as extraordinarily useful. Nor does it make them marketable.
The .460 Rowland makes a modified 1911 into a 44 magnum ballistic clone. I've no doubt that there are a few thousand of them floating around--one fellow of my acquaintance had a pair of them. But there are 50 times as many 44 magnums out there. If you are going to make a business decision to sell something, which would you prefer to put your money behind? Likewise, the 225 Winchester was such a success that 7 years after its introduction, it was discontinued by its parent corporation for lack of sales. I'll guess that more 225 brass is sold for the JDJ conversions than for use in 225 rifles.
But regardless of the utility and popularity of the examples I chose, right now, with nearly empty shelves at most ammo dealers, is a foolish time to introduce a cartridge that will "compete" with the 9mm. For which there are literally millions of potential users, all crying for more ammo. Now for the individual who simply wants to assert his uniqueness, hooray. A "magnum" 32 ACP is just the ticket I guess. I mean, you won't be awash in a sea of imitators when you pull out your pistol. But it might be a good thing to load up on components and ammo while it's available. Because my money says it won't be there for long.
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When I'd run the gamut playing with, experimenting with and learning about all the fairly common cartridges some 25 years ago I went the other way. I started looking at, purchasing and loading for rifles and handguns chambered for old cartridges then REALLY old cartridges....no matter how much I had to invest in equipment and tooling to make/turn/form the cases. What I learned is anything that is being done has already been done. Something equal to all the "new" cartridges has already been tried. It didn't fly then and probably won't fly now.
'Course ya gotta know the history to know you're just buying yesterday's news.
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sharps4590,
I couldn't have put it better myself. I hear about these new cartridges that are all the rage, the latest and greatest. I bet finding a box of a 45 GAP has been fun these past 18-24 months. I've never been one to jump on the band wagon of a new cartridge due to what the gun guru's of today have to say about it. I haven't picked up a gun rag in years now, figure I've probably saved myself enough for a new gun. I'm not saying there aren't some good, knowledgeable writers out there, there are. But at the age of 68, I'm gonna keep dancing with the ones that brought me.
Murphy
If I should depart this life while defending those who cannot defend themselves, then I have died the most honorable of deaths. Marc R. Murphy '2006'.
Not defending any particular cartridge. I am defending choice. I like having choices. One Man’s Trash is Another Man’s Treasure.
As to "the 9mm. For which there are literally millions of potential users, all crying for more ammo" that was true awhile back. Not so much today. That can easily be checked by a simple online search. What you won't find is the low prices of two years ago. Currently 25 cents around is about the best you will find but at that price and higher lots of 9mm available.
Manufactures project a purchasing drought is coming. That always happens after large scale panic buying. They also make their highest profit margins on premium self-defense ammo. Creating new sales/markets seems to be a good long-term business strategy to me.
Last edited by M-Tecs; 02-21-2022 at 08:08 PM.
2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
"Before you argue with someone, ask yourself, is that person even mentally mature enough to grasp the concept of different perspectives? Because if not, there’s absolutely no point."
– Amber Veal
"The Highest form of ignorance is when your reject something you don't know anything about".
- Wayne Dyer
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