Black Powder substitute

[mooman76]

That dealer locator is crap. I tried it here and it showed 3 places and none of them sell BP. I guess one might call first to double check.

[toot]

megasupermagnum, thank you so much. I am going to give the # a call. never heard of the gun shope? toot.

[toot]

I sure hope he sells real BP,? don't want any substitutes.

[toot]

megasupermagnum, I called him and he only does only appointments. I made one. he said he has been in business for 37 yrs, WOW, I can't beleave that I never even heard about the gun shop? thank you so much for the help you gave me.

[hylander]

can T-777, be used in flint lock as a main charge? and will a pan of 4-FG. make it happen? in other words will it work straight up as the only powder charge, no 10 GRS. of black powder under / behind the T-777?

Yes it will, 777 FFF works best.
Will not work for the flash pan, you still need to use real FFFF

On a side note I have used nearly every sub ever made.
777 is my go to Sub, I have been using it since it first came to market. Works as well and sometimes better than any real BP.
That being said, Real Black is Real Black, just fun to shoot.

[megasupermagnum]

megasupermagnum, I called him and he only does only appointments. I made one. he said he has been in business for 37 yrs, WOW, I can't beleave that I never even heard about the gun shop? thank you so much for the help you gave me.

I'm very glad I could help. As moonman pointed out, sometimes those online dealer locators can be out of date, so you sometimes have to play tag for a while. I'm happy to hear he has the good stuff. I'm surprised there are not more dealers in CT. There probably are, and I've found a number of dealers near me are not listed as such online. A lot of dealers are real old guys, and aren't even listed on google.

[toot]

megasupermagum, yes the old out of the way gun shops are / seem to be the best. he is 85, and retired ARMY. works out of his house, and when I told him how I found him, he said a guy from South Dakota, amazing. I told him every thing now days are just a click away. again thank you for the responce. toot.

[toot]

hylander, thank you for the reply. I was afraid to load my flint lock up and have T-777, not work and have to pull the load. you have allayed my fears about it working in my flint lock. I figured that I would still have to prime with real BP? I am going to step out in my back yard and give it a try. do I have to poke the pan charge into the touch hole or will it flash into it? the guys on this site are just the best, thanks to all. toot.

[hylander]

hylander, thank you for the reply. I was afraid to load my flint lock up and have T-777, not work and have to pull the load. you have allayed my fears about it working in my flint lock. I figured that I would still have to prime with real BP? I am going to step out in my back yard and give it a try. do I have to poke the pan charge into the touch hole or will it flash into it? the guys on this site are just the best, thanks to all. toot.

No worries,
On the Flinters I have used, I did not have to poke the pan charge, however a friend used to poke his.
777FFF was the best.

[toot]

hylander, it went off like a load of real BP. it is amazing that a substitute will work in place of BP. I wonder why that 7-777 doesn't' let the shooting public know that? again thanks guys for the help. toot.

[hylander]

hylander, it went off like a load of real BP. it is amazing that a substitute will work in place of BP. I wonder why that 7-777 doesn't' let the shooting public know that? again thanks guys for the help. toot.

Good to hear it is working for you.
Again 777 is my go to Sub.

[toot]

I just got several LBS. of black powder from the CT, gun shop that megasupermagnum, turned me onto. thanks bud! and I got a PARKER BROS, 12 GAUGE SXS DBL OFF OF HIM!

[maillemaker]

Everybody knows that Black Powder (and BP substitutes) can be purchased ONLINE and delivered to your door right? If you "can't get it in your area" then you are simply not trying to get it and are just whining about it. If you are reading this then you are online. So go to Grafs.com or several other places online and order your powder. Then the UPS or FEDEX truck will show up with Black Powder for you and bingo - there will be black powder in your area.

Well, sure. The problem is that buying mail order is not a cost-effective option unless you're able to buy in bulk. If you just need a pound of powder, you're going to pay $20 for the powder and another $20 in hazmat. Maybe shipping on top of that. Powder Inc sells 5 pounds minimum and it works out to $33 a pound ($166 total).

I think most people that want to buy local want to run down to their local store and spend $25. You buy online you're going to be dropping a hundred bucks or more.

[freakonaleash]

Well, sure. The problem is that buying mail order is not a cost-effective option unless you're able to buy in bulk. If you just need a pound of powder, you're going to pay $20 for the powder and another $20 in hazmat. Maybe shipping on top of that. Powder Inc sells 5 pounds minimum and it works out to $33 a pound ($166 total).

I think most people that want to buy local want to run down to their local store and spend $25. You buy online you're going to be dropping a hundred bucks or more.

When I have BP mail ordered I order between 10-25lbs to make it cost effective. The days of running down to the store and buying a single pound of powder was over about 25 years ago.

[rodwha]

When I have BP mail ordered I order between 10-25lbs to make it cost effective. The days of running down to the store and buying a single pound of powder was over about 25 years ago.

That’s odd, used to stop in Bass Pro to pick up just one pound of powder all the time…

I buy from Grafs because I found buying 3 lbs broke me about even but allowed me to add Olde Eynsford and Swiss as options and I don’t have to worry about showing up and them not having it again, which is what pushed me online back during the shortages

[sharps4590]

Been following the thread. Best thing is you found a source for real black. There's a gun shop not that far from me that carries black if I need a pound of something particular. Generally I bought in case lots and only had to buy every 2-3 years. I don't shoot it like I used to and currently I probably have enough to last the rest of my life.

As to subs, T-7 would be my choice. I tried a pound each of pyrojunk P and RS when it first came out. It will never darken my door again.

[toot]

sharps4590, roger that. PYRODEX is BAD JU, JU! in any form ! and any grade!!

[salvadore]

I'm with idahoron, been using pyrodex since74,75? and it worked a lot better than the Holy black batman, less fouling and corrosion. When the holy black wowsers start waxing poetic I just roll my eyes. Anyway to each their own.

[FLINTNFIRE]

Well after the pyrodex on a sunny hot day I will not buy it or use it , but to each their own , I also roll my eyes over the subs rule crowd , hey remember the inventor got cooked in the fire and they thought they lost the recipe , remember when it first came out it was touted as the safe alternative .

[salvadore]

Thank God no one has ever died in a bp accident he says rolling his eyes. That's a good natured joke fnf.