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    I just sent Joe an email requesting a refund for remaining LPK's and mags.

    Thanks for the info on AIM. I deal with them often for surplus items and have always been satisfied. I will contact them for the mags.

    We may never know the full story on this GB but I will be glad to be out of it.

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    Unhappy

    All of you may be interested in checking iowasportsman.com seems there are alot of people with money tied up in a group buy that involves custom concepts there also with the same results........and other dealers posting how they have had 15,000$ orders filled that were placed months after the gb took place. Hate to knock an iowa business but hell dont kid yourself somthing is not right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonewolf130 View Post
    We have had absolutely no problems getting all of the mags we wanted since last fall (we have made 2 seperate 200 mag orders and received them immediately). If you look at Aim Surplus, they afre selling the CProducts mags for $7.95. I know from looking at other suppliers that mags are plentiful and have been all year.
    I looked all over thier website for the $7.95 mags?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddeaton View Post
    I looked all over thier website for the $7.95 mags?
    Go here.

    http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/A...Magazines.html

    About halfway down. Has the anti-tilt follower that was mentioned in the GB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IATRAPPER View Post
    All of you may be interested in checking iowasportsman.com seems there are alot of people with money tied up in a group buy that involves custom concepts there also with the same results........and other dealers posting how they have had 15,000$ orders filled that were placed months after the gb took place. Hate to knock an iowa business but hell dont kid yourself somthing is not right.
    Yeah, now he is claiming that the hold up is LPKs from DPMS, yet they are plentiful everywhere else. Apparently everyone can get DMPS LPKs except Joe, and besides, I'm 95% sure of where his parts are coming from and the LPKs come with the kits

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    Joe sent my stripped receivers on request. I then ordered my parts kits separately and had the guns built when the Rock River uppers showed up about two weeks ago. (They were ordered in February). They still owe me three parts kits and 20 mags. I sent them an email requesting a refund and proposed an alternative solution. We will see what happens.

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    I also requested a refund last week. Looks like mag availability has loosened up and nine months wait with no end in sight is a bit much. Pity, as the bare receivers that I ordered on the other buy came in quick enough.

    I hope Joe gets his supply issues resolved. Seems like a good guy, but it looks like this GB has jumped up and bit him...
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    Quote Originally Posted by alamogunr View Post
    Go here.

    http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/A...Magazines.html

    About halfway down. Has the anti-tilt follower that was mentioned in the GB.
    Thanks,
    found it

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    joe emailed me this guys. he said hes posting on the other board and ask me to post on cast boolits. -chris

    from joe:

    Ok, here goes. This isn't going to be the most popular post but honestly I'm just as sick of this as most of you are. I'm going to break a few things down here.

    I have gotten email to my old email address in regards to this GB. I thought I had made it clear that all inquiries were to be sent to sales@joescustomconcepts.com
    One individual continued sending email to joe@joescustomconcepts.com and then proceeded to **** mouth me for lack of response. Wanting a refund for a lower (which is sitting right here and has been) and an LPK. The LPK I can understand, but why should something be refunded that is sitting right here? Ya know what, I sent it. I have sent refunds to everyone that has asked. From this site and the other one that was involved in the GB. I spend more time issuing refunds than I do tracking down time frames for parts. Just the truth. I work a regular full time job (plus) just like everyone else. I get up at 4:30 to start my day and get home around 6:30 or so each night. I'm not asking for sympathy or for anyone to excuse me from anything, but I honestly don't have the time to dedicate to the shop like I did when this whole mess started. I wish I never would have started this damn thing, but too late for that now.

    I am not out to 'take' anyone or thier money. If that was the case I wouldn't be sending refunds. Yes, I've goofed on a couple but I made them right for the customers. I've been ripped off by a customer who wanted a refund (which I sent) but his initial check didn't clear (due to the way he wrote it). I made him aware of it and he has yet to make it right to me. So essentially I just gave him almost $200. Whatever. My fault, but still.

    I've read a few comments on here in regards to the blog. Honestly I don't know how to do anything on there. That one is Chris's domain. He changes things that I ask him to, but I don't know how to get on there and do anything. The 'comment box' or whatever the hell it's called was taken down due to some slanderous comments that were posted saying that I was a crook and took everyones cash and went on vacation. That did not set well with me, especially since I emailed the 2 folks that were making those comments and they won't man up enough to respond. I hear little buzzes about legal action. Go ahead. Knock yourselves out. Waste your time and money on a lawyer if it makes you feel better. But ensure that you have a legal foothold. Have you asked for a refund? Did I tell you no? I doubt it since everyone who has asked has recieved. There are a couple in the mail now that were put out on Saturday. One of those is to the a fore mentioned person who couldn't send correspondence to the correct email.

    At first I was just fronting the money for the refunds. Now I can no longer afford to do that so I am having to ammend my orders and request refunds from vendors. This too causes delays in order completions. I will take blame for not pushing suppliers to get things filled. I will admit my wrongs in this thing. I loose track of time, days and weeks just blend into each other and next thing I know it's two months since I've said anything. Yes. My fault. I end up with good intentions and then forget. Again, my fault. I don't blame anyone for getting upset (to put it lightly) I would too given the situation. But the BS about 'legal action' is really starting to get to me. Do any of you who are threatening that have a foundation for such? I doubt it. If you have correspondence from me saying too bad you're not getting your money back then I would like to see it, because I guarantee I NEVER said that. Never have, never will.

    Now to the meat of things. It's all falling apart. Again, the refunds are causing some delays now. I'd like to just be done with it, but I'm not. I thought I saw an end in sight, but it's running away again.

    I'm not trying to sound like I'm putting up an ultimatum or anything, but it would be nice to get all of the refund requests by the end of this week. (12-11-09). Then I can have a final tally and not have to change the orders every week.

    Just make sure you are sending ALL corespondence to sales@joescustomconcepts.com. Feel free to call me what you want face to face or in private, but when it's done on a public forum then we all have to be carefull of slander and deflimation of character. I know a little bit about legal recourse too and I would really prefer not to travel that road.

    edit* Also if you ordered a stripped lower please make arrangements to get them. I am not pleased about refunding for items that I have sitting here and I don't think I will do it again.

    Thanks,
    Joe
    Last edited by colbyjack; 12-06-2009 at 08:49 PM. Reason: edit added lower part from joes post

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    Well, I got a full refund from Joe last week by just asking. You'll get no poor mouthing from me. Just sorry it didn't work out...
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    I got my full refund last week also.

    John
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    Sounds like Joe got in over his head on these GB's and could use a good friend to help him out in the distribution of the items or refunds. I know he was quick to refund my money on the mags when I asked and I was greatfull of this. Godspeed with your efforts Joe.
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    Got my LPK refund Sat. my lower was delivered to my FFL a while back.
    All I did was send a letter to Custom Concepts with copies of my emails and m.o.
    no bad mouthing needed.

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    Thanks Joe Licht

    I sent my refund request via email and called to make sure and left a voice mail about a week ago. Got my refund check today. No complaints here.
    Joe: I hope this works out. I appreciate your efforts but I just can't wait any longer. I have 4 stripped lowers that someone is going to teach me how to build properly.
    When the parts kits finally DO come in, and the mags come in, post here on the board and let us know. Many may still be looking for extra parts kits and mags.
    Thanks for your quick help in the refund.

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    CDNN has C Products mags for $7.99 with $6 shipping on all internet orders. Might be an alternative for those of you who are still waiting for mags.

    http://www.cdnninvestments.com/ar230blorfom.html
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    Still nothing. Hes into me for two parts kits and 10 magazines. Id have to say at this point and time that if he was going to make it right he would have by now or at least had enough class to come on here occasionaly and let us know the progress of this.. Its to bad colby jack got stuck in the middle. He seemed like a real nice guy. I dont know how he feels about this whole mess but i know that if it were my buddy who made me look this bad he surely wouldnt be my buddy anymore! Takes all kinds i guess. Hope he at least bought himself something nice for his family with my money!

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    The latest of the "we're still waiting for shipments to arrive, and have nothing on hand yet" updates has been posted. Face it guys, the courts (or Vinny from Joisy) is the only way anyone is going to see there money again.

    On a side note. It is a federal felony to steal from and FFL, I wonder how the BATFE would feel about an FFL stealing from this many people at one time?

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    I know its a sad deal when someone rips off this many people. He could have at least had the balls to contact us and tell us he was broke. He might have got some sympathy. As a matter of fact i wouldnt doubt if not only his debts would have been forgiven but the guys here are good enough they would have probabaly took up a collection for him. Got to wonder what kind of a family that sob grew up in.

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