Ammunition Shortage

[reddog81]

Red Dog; I will disagree. The amount of ammunition the military sits on fluctuates with National Policy.
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With NO SURGE CAPACITY in industry; the Civilians, LEO's, and Military are at risk.

The government owns the Lake City Ammo Plant. It’s operations are currently being run by Winchester. I’d be willing to bet they have the capacity to manufacture whatever they need irrespective of what going on with the civilian market.

[farmbif]

I don't even want to speculate, aint no telling where all this is going. one thing for sure its one of those life lessons for those who were not thinking about being prepared for the future.

[Gator 45/70]

If and when? Primers return to the 30 dollar range per 1 K you can bet I'm buying a whole pallet of SP Primers

A person could easily triple his money every election cycle.

[slim1836]

It's worse than before, now we are out of almost everything and resorting to the barter system. Dies, molds, reloading equipment, powder, and primers in general are mostly out of stock everywhere. This shortage is effecting everything that has to do with our hobby. The shortage is not going to lessen as long as panic buying continues, just like toilet paper shortages was last year.

I bought what I could with what extra cash I had at the time and still need more. I'll shoot less of my reloads and shoot black powder for a while along with .177 pellets. I may buy a slingshot next., or a blowgun. I'll not get bored.

Living only on social security limits what I can do, and prepare for. My life is still better than 75% of the rest of the world, I am truly blessed.

Slim

[butch2570]

25 years ago , a person wasn’t competing for the supplies on the internet.
I simply bought things from any number of very close , gun stores.

Today, where I live , there is 1 tiny little gun store that has hardly nothing in stock, when there is good supplies .
So everyone just jumps online and treats supplies like day traders on the stock market, that compounds the buying panic.

We’ve seen this in the early 90s, 2008 , 2012,2015.
More and more people are looking, prices are extreme.

Just like the pistol powder shortage a few years ago, when the supplies came back , I bought enough to last me from here on out .
This is a long long long way from over , unless Remington and Tula ,Wolf , Sellior, and Magtech, get their products back on the market place.

[Iowa Fox]

The Wolf and Tula were really good primers. I have a hunch if they make a comeback the F class boys will be on them like a dog on a bone. The S&B and Magtech were good also. Vista has enough experience so that when they get the Remington plant going it should be good stuff.I have a hunch these days of tight supply are going last at least a couple of years.

[Garyshome]

Well when I was buying supplies it wan not easy at all I had to pay off the credit cards, took a long time, but not as hard as it would take if I bought that stuff today.

[Idaho45guy]

I don't recall seeing Lee die sets going up 300% on Amazon the last shortage.

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[monadnock#5]

.....have better intel or invested in technology to help. We can up our game, or choose to pay the higher prices......

My complaint revolves around the extract above. It is obvious that there are those with a technological edge. I've heard of this edge referred to as a "bot". A program that allows a bidder or a purchaser to monitor email notifications and bid or purchase automatically without further input from the client. Until myself, and everyone else here has access to this technology, the field is not level.

Please!! Don't anyone worry about me. I gave up trying to add to my cushion when prices went beyond 2-3X "normal". I sure would like me a bot though that I could set for when the Happy Days Are almost Here Again.

[JimB..]

My complaint revolves around the extract above. It is obvious that there are those with a technological edge. I've heard of this edge referred to as a "bot". A program that allows a bidder or a purchaser to monitor email notifications and bid or purchase automatically without further input from the client. Until myself, and everyone else here has access to this technology, the field is not level.

Please!! Don't anyone worry about me. I gave up trying to add to my cushion when prices went beyond 2-3X "normal". I sure would like me a bot though that I could set for when the Happy Days Are almost Here Again.

I get it, you feel like you don’t have the same opportunity to buy as some others do. But with few exceptions, the rules appear to be the same for everyone right now. The only exceptions I can think of are where folks know someone on the inside at a retail store and get a call before things hit the shelves. In the last shortage we bemoaned the group of guys that would hit the Walmart and buy the 22lr before we could get there. It sucked, but those guys were simply working harder or smarter than we were, and this is the same.

To compound the sports analogy, a team may practice a lot or a little. The team that practices a lot will often be better than the team that practices little, but that’s not because they have an unfair advantage, it’s because they train more.

A bot is simply a program that watches a website, and when a certain event happens it takes a specific action. Many websites have implemented tactics to slow or confuse such bots because it’s bad for their business to have one buyer grab everything and flip it at a profit, but that's beside the point. If you want a bot or I want a bot we too can have one. We can either learn how to make one, or we can pay someone to make one. It’s just a technology race in a reasonably free market.

What you’re envisioning is equality of outcome without regard to effort, and to get that you must change the rules, or tilt the playing field, so everyone gets the same outcome regardless of investment, effort or ability...that’s socialism.

I hate that we can’t purchase ammo or components at the historically low prices that we saw a year ago, but the last thing anyone should want is government intervention in the ammo, component and gun market to ensure equality of outcome. You think prices are stupid now, just consider where they’d be if they reflected the government inputs for healthcare and education!

Sorry for the rant, but I am bothered when folks blur the ideas of equal opportunity and equal outcome, it is one of the critical differences that makes America the great nation that it is.

[monadnock#5]

I sometimes waver between conservative and libertarian but haven't dabbled in socialism since 1983. The year my daughter was born.

[JimB..]

I sometimes waver between conservative and libertarian but haven't dabbled in socialism since 1983. The year my daughter was born.

LOL, meant to make you think, but didn’t mean to offend. Apologies if I missed the mark.

[Tripplebeards]

25 years ago , a person wasn’t competing for the supplies on the internet.
I simply bought things from any number of very close , gun stores.

Today, where I live , there is 1 tiny little gun store that has hardly nothing in stock, when there is good supplies .
So everyone just jumps online and treats supplies like day traders on the stock market, that compounds the buying panic.

We’ve seen this in the early 90s, 2008 , 2012,2015.
More and more people are looking, prices are extreme.

Just like the pistol powder shortage a few years ago, when the supplies came back , I bought enough to last me from here on out .
This is a long long long way from over , unless Remington and Tula ,Wolf , Sellior, and Magtech, get their products back on the market place.

I think that’s the generation me myself I actually left the house during the panic by last fall in my local gun shop had piles of primers in stock for 39.99 a brick with a 1 a day limit. I bought 18 bricks on several visits and figured I’d bought enough. I can’t wait till the overbuying used gun and pistol surplus hits the market like the AR surplus was liquidated when Trump took office.

[perotter]

The Wolf and Tula were really good primers. I have a hunch if they make a comeback the F class boys will be on them like a dog on a bone. The S&B and Magtech were good also. Vista has enough experience so that when they get the Remington plant going it should be good stuff.I have a hunch these days of tight supply are going last at least a couple of years.

I'd guess that Tula and Wolf are using all the primers they can make to load ammo they can sell.

[uscra112]

I think that’s the generation me myself I actually left the house during the panic by last fall in my local gun shop had piles of primers in stock for 39.99 a brick with a 1 a day limit. I bought 18 bricks on several visits and figured I’d bought enough. I can’t wait till the overbuying used gun and pistol surplus hits the market like the AR surplus was liquidated when Trump took office.

Somehow I don't think that the overstock that will be liquidated first will be top quality merchandise.

[MUSTANG]

We keep hearing the US Manufacturers are making all they can 24/7/365; but I am not seeing US manufactured Ammo on any shelves (except 8 boxes of .300 Savage at Sportsmans Ski Haus). All the ammo I see is White Box stuff from overseas such as Philippines, Korea, Czech Republic, etc.. Seems if they are making Billions of rounds and shipping it into the market as stated - some of it would show up on a shelf somewhere I visit. I understand the leakage into the Auction Markets - but none in the stores is a head scratcher.

[uscra112]

American branded ammo is certainly showing up online. At famine prices of course.

[Shawlerbrook]

Some very good insights above. A few that struck a cord with me are , )1 the biggest enemy we have are the leftists within our shores, 2) are the gun companies hedging their bets on future investment when the current administration wants to eliminate them , and 3) Yes, most of us old timers have been through this before and are pretty well set, but that does not prevent us from complaining about the situation. And finally, things will get worse, probably for good, so I wouldn’t sell anything that you might ever need in the future. And ps: there are far fewer outlets(gun shops) around now.

[Burnt Fingers]

We keep hearing the US Manufacturers are making all they can 24/7/365; but I am not seeing US manufactured Ammo on any shelves (except 8 boxes of .300 Savage at Sportsmans Ski Haus). All the ammo I see is White Box stuff from overseas such as Philippines, Korea, Czech Republic, etc.. Seems if they are making Billions of rounds and shipping it into the market as stated - some of it would show up on a shelf somewhere I visit. I understand the leakage into the Auction Markets - but none in the stores is a head scratcher.

I walked into a Walmart the other day and they had gotten more CCI rimfire in and some Federal centerfire stuff. I scooped up three of those 100 round milk cartons of 22 mag ammo.

A local Academy gets ammo on Mon, Wed, Friday. They open at 0900. They use employees to escort people back to the ammo area to keep them from running through the store. All the ammo is typically gone by 0915, even with the limits they have in place.

[Burnt Fingers]

If and when? Primers return to the 30 dollar range per 1 K you can bet I'm buying a whole pallet of SP Primers

A person could easily triple his money every election cycle.

I doubt you'll see $30/1000 after this shortage. I'm guessing that it will be around $37-$38/1000 for CCI/Winchester/Federal/Remington.