Reloading 30-06 with titegroup powder

[Jim P.]

I am fairly new to reloading and have only reloaded 9mm pistol ammo. I just bought a savage 30-06 and I would like to reload some ammo for this but the only powder I have is titegroup. I know this is not really rifle powder but could it be used just for some target ammo if you keep the load light. This would be with powder coated cast bullets. I tried to buy different powder today but my fin feather and fur has absolutely no smokeless powder in stock. They only have black powder. I actually have some black powder also. Could this be used to reload the 30-06. I know its not normally used but.....

[Winger Ed.]

Put 'Tight Group powder for .30-06' in a search engine.
A few articles and some threads here from years gone by will pop right up.

Holy Black would best a last resort.
Nobody seems to have had much luck with using it.

[Rcmaveric]

You could use the TightGroup. I used it for. 270 win plinking loads. Works great.

I used quickloads to gestimate the load. And then tuned it. Unfortunately there is no published loads and I no longer have Quickloads.

I cant offer you any load information because it would be dangerous.

You could use something Gordon's Reloading Tools to see what your starting charge should. But remember its a dangerous.

Maybe someone can come along with a safer way to dive into uncharted powder waters. I kind of just guessed and rolled the dice with half clue from Quickloads.

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[Jim P.]

Ok thanks. I thought I was the only one that ask about this . lol

[mroliver77]

http://www.gmdr.com/lever/lowveldata.htm

Here is some info for you along with interesting reading.

[flounderman]

My burn rate chart lists titegroup as just slightly less than bullseye

[P Flados]

Titegroup is an easy to ignite powder with a burn rate not far off of Red Dot.

Ed Harris found that many 30 cal rifles could be loaded with 13 grs of Red Dot and give good performance for target practice. This recipe is rather famous, has been used a lot and is now know as "The Load".

In a 24" 30-06 with a Lee 170, Quickload estimates that The Load will do 1602 fps at 27284 psi.

In a 308, Quickload says this same combination will do 1681 fps at 35353 psi.

I would feel safe trying to duplicate the performance of The Load with Titegroup instead of Red Dot. One qualifier, is that extra care is need to avoid a double charge. A double charge or either Red Dot or Titegroup will fit in a 30-06, and you would not like the results.

Here is what Quickload has to say:

Cartridge          : .30-06 Spring.  (SAAMI)
Bullet             : .309, 170, LEE C309-170-F
Useable Case Capaci: 65.616 grain H2O = 4.260 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon TiteGroup

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms
-38.5   16     8.00   1187     532   12776   1431    100.0    2.484
-34.6   17     8.50   1225     566   13845   1516    100.0    2.388
-30.8   18     9.00   1262     601   14932   1600    100.0    2.302
-26.9   19     9.50   1298     636   16037   1684    100.0    2.223
-23.1   20    10.00   1333     671   17161   1768    100.0    2.151
-19.2   21    10.50   1367     705   18302   1851    100.0    2.086
-15.4   22    11.00   1400     740   19460   1934    100.0    2.026
-11.5   23    11.50   1433     775   20636   2017    100.0    1.970
-07.7   24    12.00   1465     810   21829   2099    100.0    1.919
-03.8   25    12.50   1496     845   23039   2181    100.0    1.871
+00.0   26    13.00   1526     879   24266   2263    100.0    1.826
+03.8   27    13.50   1556     914   25510   2344    100.0    1.784
+07.7   28    14.00   1586     949   26772   2425    100.0    1.745
+11.5   29    14.50   1615     984   28050   2506    100.0    1.708
+15.4   30    15.00   1643    1019   29346   2586    100.0    1.673
+19.2   31    15.50   1671    1054   30658   2666    100.0    1.640

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     26    13.00   1529     883   25068   2258    100.0    1.803
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     26    13.00   1522     875   23260   2270    100.0    1.855

[Winger Ed.]

Ok thanks. I thought I was the only one that ask about this . lol

Oh no. Shooters and re-loaders are about the biggest bunch of tinkerers and experimenting folks you'll find.
As old as this stuff is, and the technology for it--- we have over a hundred years worth if info. already logged in.

[quail4jake]

Since Titegroup is an "isomer" of Bullseye....I would like a shout out to Outpost 75 here. I'm all ears as I would like to try it too. I would veto black powder in the Cal. .30 Gov't. 1906....

[john.k]

Believe it or not,blackpowder will work the action of a Garand,for around 3 shots before the bolt doesnt close ,slosh the muzzle in water ,jiggle the operating lever ,and you get another 3 shots.......This was early 70s ,and what I know now,I d say with a beeswax cookie under the bullet ,the gun may work for at least I clip full.

[john.k]

I have reloaded lots of 30/06 with blackpowder......a compressed case full of 2F ,and use the pulled military 303 bullet(172gr)..... est MV of 1400-1500 f.s from a M17......Also reloaded 30/06 with cordite,works well ,but fiddly to get the sticks into the case.

[Bazoo]

Thanks for the titegroup data P Flados.

John, what accuracy do you get with 30-06 and BP? And for how many shots does it hold? Do you have any threads on your work with it?

[Jim P.]

I bought a few 30-06 rounds at a gun show and I shot a couple but they really flattened out the primer. Is this normal or did someone load these pretty hot?

https://i.ibb.co/dmtvPfD/20210207-080016.jpg

[Rcmaveric]

Reading primers is an inaccurate science. Indicative, yes. But exact no.

If those are reloads. They could be in the higher end but not dangerous. You can see where it flowed around the firing pin and into the fire pin. Thats call cratering.

If those were factory, they are fine.

I wouldn't worry until the primer fills the primer pocket and you get mirror imagine of your bolt face. Then your hot. Yeah it craters but the there's is still a bevel on the primer. When you start piercing primers and blowing out primers your too hot and dangerous.

Un written rule is dont shoot other peoples reloads. Only shoot factory rounds or rounds from a business you trust. There are mom and pop ammo reloading. They have the experience and insurance and quals.

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[Bazoo]

I'll second the above. The rounded edge on the primer is still there, and that's what you want to see. If the firing pin strike from your gun always looks like that, then it's normal for your gun.

[Jim P.]

ok thanks guys. I'm not sure what is normal for this gun. I just noticed that the corner radius on the primer is much smaller after it is fired.

[john.k]

AS mentioned ,if the primer is flat ,all is OK ,however if the firing pin dent is raised back into the bolt face ,thats cratered, and not OK,and is a sign of excessive pressure.

[charlie b]

Fire a factory round and compare primers. They should look the same.

I have some guns that 'crater' primers, some flatten them, some neither. They do it with factory ammo so I am not surprised when they do it with handloads.

[Jim P.]

Fire a factory round and compare primers. They should look the same.

I have some guns that 'crater' primers, some flatten them, some neither. They do it with factory ammo so I am not surprised when they do it with handloads.

this may be a factory round. I bought them at the gun show so really dont know what they are. I dont have any other ammo. can't find any anywhere.

[Bazoo]

Where are you located at?