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Thread: Thoughts On A Gun And Cartridge For Bear Defense?

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    WOW!!! This discussion has gone off the reservation!!!

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    Okay, I couldn't resist it. I have an airsoft pistol that is devastating on gummy bears
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    My personal rule for self defense is I carry the largest slug flinger I will be Content with. I like a 40 something.
    For a 300# beast that will be looking to chomp on me that means a 40 something revolver that an slurp out a 300 grain FN cast at least 850 fps.
    I still prefer a RB loaded smoothbore or a repeater rifle if I know there is some real issue out there.
    My getting home means I will suffer the weight or issues needed or stay out of the woods.
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    Ok, little time off topic but this was too good to not share!
    Apparently, an ER doc buddy of mine has treated 2 families for severe "chemical type burns" to faces and bodies. The poor folks decided that bear spray should be applied like mosquito spray!! I can only imagine this particular doc triaging those (I've hunted in the back country with him for years)!!!!

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    I have been roaming the woods here in Arizona for many years, I am almost 80 and yes we have a good amount of black bear here. In all my years of hunting here (60 plus) I've never in countered one while hunting. I have seen quite a few while just driving the back roads though. I would never go hiking or hunting with anything less than a 357 or a 44. We have hand gun hunting seasons here. My brother in law and I were out north of Prescott one year just walking and shooting Jack rabbits. We were quite a few miles from the nearest house. We heard a lot of barking and that was a little strange because of the distance we were from the nearest home. We both had 357 Blackhawks. All of a sudden 5 dogs came up out of a revine and just by the way they were barking and growling we new they weren't coming to play with us. They were about 50 yards from us when they came out of the revine. We waited tell they were about 20 yards from us, they were coming pretty fast. We killed 3 of them, I guess the last two decided they had had enough and and took off for better pastures. The three we killed were two German Sheppard's and one mixed breed. Our cast boolits went all the way through front to butt DRT. It was actually quite scary and the adrenalin was running pretty high. Not a bear but it could have turned out differently if we were just hiking and didn't have a gun with us.
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    I'd give a serious look at a Stainless, 4", S&W .44Mag, and a comfortable shoulder holster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winger Ed. View Post
    I'd give a serious look at a Stainless, 4", S&W .44Mag, and a comfortable shoulder holster.
    Yes. Firing a non-expanding bullet at about 1250 fps.

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    44 mag is the minimal for those prviliged to get a bear defence carry permit in Ontario Canada, the black bears can be quite large in the northern part of the province.

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    I have hunted with handguns including the .44 magnum. I have also seen a few Alaskan bears killed. I would not rely on any handgun for them. Black bears maybe. The fellows I hunted with said to break the bear down by incapacitating the shoulders and spine. Then kill it. No handgun will do that. Those guys both carried Model 70's in .375 H&H. They were well known as well.

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    Survivor of Grizzly Bear Attack in Dupuyer, Montana Used .44 Magnum

    https://www.ammoland.com/2021/01/sur...sed-44-magnum/
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    Probably an ultra light poly frame 357 snubby. That way they will have it with them instead of in the car or at home.

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    After personally being involved in shooting a large bore raccoon, with a .357 mag., using my hand loads loaded just below the point of near impossible extraction.....I’ll opt for something a bit more potent than a .357! The “coon” I shot was on a large limb, and was hit twice broadside, either hit would have killed him! One hit near the last rib, the other.....just behind the shoulder. After the second hit, the raccoon fell from the limb, and ran off. He went somewhere beyond 50 yards. Had this been an aggressive carnivore larger than a 20 or so pound raccoon.....I wouldn’t be typing this little story! memtb
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