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Thread: Let all of us be aware, and have patience with, the flood of new gun owners.

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    Let all of us be aware, and have patience with, the flood of new gun owners.

    I have been running my self ragged online answering questions and providing info to what appears to be stupid questions.

    Many of these questions make me really nervous.

    Attached is one of those questions, and the answer by an apparent engineer who I think should have let someone else answer the question.



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    That's down right scary!!!!!!

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    Idiot.
    Problem with many new shooters, is all the know about firearms is from a video game, TV, movies, or magazines.
    We have a ton of "experts" here, that know everything, but have no idea what their doing.
    Must be nice to walk into a store and spend over $1000 on something you know nothing about.
    $1000+ firearm and buy the cheapest ammo.
    At the range.
    No idea how to hold the bolt open.
    Trying to close the bolt, and drop the mag.
    Must be nice to have money to burn.

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    You can neither argue with an engineer nor tell one what to do, other than KMB. Just let idiots be idiots.
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    Dear God in heaven! We are going to have people shooting themselves all over this country!!!

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    Joe504 thanks for your efforts in trying to help those who need it most.

    The old saying: “You can lead a horse to water but can’t make him drink”. The person that said that obviously did not handle animals as there are several ways to get a horse to drink – the easiest is to put a bit of salt in their feed.

    Have you found good methods to get people to search, read and learn?
    Link to leave feedback for me.

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    I have a rule, if people insist on being stupid I'll help em.
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    People have questions about a firearm, and the first thing they do is ask a bunch of strangers on the internet. I would tell them to read their owners manual.
    Due to the price of primers, warning shots will no longer be given!

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    Just more ammo(pun intended) for the gun grabbers to require mandatory training, etc. before purchasing guns.

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    Oh, it will feed into the chamber just fine. You just have to rack the slide after each shot. Haven't gone past 2 or 3 rounds, so wouldn't know what happens after that.

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    Wow, another grand reason I do not shoot at a range.
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    Just wait a second here. This guy is not an engineer hes a college professor and his question should tell you everything about his engineering skills. They are on par with Dr Dre's life saving medical skills because hes a doctor right.

    Sadly they dont teach common sense in college these days. Actually they dont teach you much at all period these days. What happend to "Critical Thinking" classes we had back in the day? I feel like those are all lost now days. Sad really.

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    Let all of us be aware, and have patience with, the flood of new gun owners.

    Quote Originally Posted by marek313 View Post
    Just wait a second here. This guy is not an engineer hes a college professor and his question should tell you everything about his engineering skills. They are on par with Dr Dre's life saving medical skills because hes a doctor right.

    Sadly they dont teach common sense in college these days. Actually they dont teach you much at all period these days. What happend to "Critical Thinking" classes we had back in the day? I feel like those are all lost now days. Sad really.
    I was a certified MS/HS teacher but admittedly I only got through student teaching and subbing before I realized it’s not a great industry and ended up as a business consultant. That being said, all teachers are taught now is teach to the test (whatever that test is in your area). Critical thinking and common sense can’t be measured on a standardized multiple choice test so they don’t worry about it.

    When no child left behind started it caused all schools to stop pushing kids to be better and they had to start contouring lesson plans to the weakest in the room which slowed everyone else down and curtailed their ability to learn real world application. Now it’s all memorization.

    Sad fact is that the quality of worker in the US is dropping and all businesses are suffering because of it. The businesses I consult keep getting applicant who expect high wages to sit on their tuff and text on their phone all day rather than doing what they were hired to do.

    Difference is, good business owners/managers are working through it to continue delivering to their customer, poor owners/operators aren’t, you as the customer choose who can earn your business. Sadly, in my area all three shippers suck so I’m just stuck.

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    From one end of the spectrum to the other; such as a mentor, over to a Darwin award winner:

    Some people's purpose in life is to serve as an example to others.

    I try to help people when I can, however---
    Something else I've learned over the years is that you can't save a fool from their self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brass&Lead View Post
    Joe504 thanks for your efforts in trying to help those who need it most.

    The old saying: “You can lead a horse to water but can’t make him drink”. The person that said that obviously did not handle animals as there are several ways to get a horse to drink – the easiest is to put a bit of salt in their feed.

    Have you found good methods to get people to search, read and learn?
    Unfortunately, no. What I am hoping is that other who are reading will absorb the knowledge.

    Most of it is on a FB reloading forum where everyday someone says "I'm new to relaoding, what progressive press should I get?". I always try to convince them to start with a single stage, as even if they move to a progressive, there is always a use for a single stage press.

    I have offered to video chat with any of them to go over the basics, but none have taken me up on that as of yet.

    I'm certain some of these people will destroy a gun, and hopefully not injure anyone.


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    Every place I worked at the engineers were not allowed to walk out into the factory unless being escorted by a maintenance mechanic or electrician. They may be smart in one way, but they are not smart enough to not step into a oncoming fork truck.

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    These are the questions that I get worried about.

    This question can only come from a complete lack of knowledge of the fundamentals of relaoding.

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    My father was a journeyman ironworker for over 45 years. He knew about structural engineering. He had engineers from all over the country calling and asking for advice. This back in the 50's, 60's and 70's. Always curious about why these fellows with college degrees were calling a guy with a high school diploma. He worked a local job, one time, told the supervisor and engineer that the trusses they had wouldn't support any weight. Sure enough, we had a hail storm, 2 inches. Roof collapsed, killing one. They paid over a million dollars for their ignorance. Moral-- College education does not translate to common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomme boy View Post
    Every place I worked at the engineers were not allowed to walk out into the factory unless being escorted by a maintenance mechanic or electrician. They may be smart in one way, but they are not smart enough to not step into a oncoming fork truck.
    This kind of stuff makes me mad. I am an engineer, I have a BS in Aeronautical Engineering. Before I went to college I drove tractors in fields and forklifts in barns and warehouses. Mechanics have often called me and asked that I come out on the floor to work thru things with them. I have seen more than one mechanic or electrical tech promoted to Engineer. Whenever we are putting a new machine in the factory engineers supervise and no we do not need an escort to keep us from getting hurt. As often as not an engineer has prevented a mechanic from getting hurt. Anyone can be stupid. Today after working 40 years in our nations space programs I am now Chief Engineer in an small aerospace start up. I worked on the first Space Shuttle Launch as a Test Engineer. I supervised the mechanics who tested the first Space Shuttle External Tank to fly into space.

    Engineer, what does that word mean to you. Manufacturing Engineer, Test Engineer, Design Engineer, Materials Engineer, Safety Engineer, Systems Engineer, Electrical Engineer, Chemical Engineer, Civil Engineer, Architectural Engineer, Structural Engineer. There is a team of engineers behind your favorite firearm and I bet they don't need an escort to keep from stepping in front of a fork truck.

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