Are "Traditions" percussion rifles any good?

[mattri]

Are the Traditions percussion rifles any good?

I have read that certain muzzleloader/blackpowder pistols are made by companies that re-brand them for others so whether you buy a brand x, y or z they're actually all the same gun.

Do we know who makes the Traditions rifles, their barrels?

Do they have a common footprint that matches any others, TC, Lyman etc?

Do they shoot?

Thanks, Matt.

[BigAlofPa.]

Traditions are made by Taurus. I have an older flint lock love it. My neighbor bought a new traditions flint lock last year. It has fiber optic sights. Real nice rifle.

[SSGOldfart]

Yes Sir I'm not sure who made them but the few I have work great,I hunt with them a lot too.

[mattri]

Thanks for the replies, their Hawken looks interesting. Anyone know what the fit/finish is like? Accuracy?

[Jniedbalski]

My traditions rifle the break action and the in line bolt work very good. The barrel on both look really well made. My traditions 44 mag single shot has a lothar walther bbl factory. And they shoot really good

[mooman76]

They are a base model gun generally well made and accurate. They have improved over the years. They were Spanish made and as far as I know still are. Allot of companies quit marketing them but use to go by allot of names. Makes a good entry level starter gun.

[LAGS]

I have a Traditions Hawkins Kit.
So far I am pleased.
But like others said , it is more of a Starter Rifle for muzzleloaders.
But so far I am pleased.
The reason I bought the Kit , was so I could do a little more work to make it more my style.
I am looking to do a Lichtenberg Fractural burn pattern on the light colored wood stock and brown all the metal parts rather than slow rust bluing the metal.
The only thing I don't like is the Plastic Sights.
But those are going to be upgraded anyway , so that doesn't matter.

[BigAlofPa.]

Took mine out to the gun club today. Mines a buckskinner. It was nice to get out. Before the storm. Mine has steel sights too. Here is a pic from when my LGS had it on his site.

[megasupermagnum]

I cant say if they are the same rifle or not, but I'm fairly sure CVA and Traditions are made in the same place in Spain. They shoot, some fairly well. They are bottom rung guns though, not all that great quality. They usually make a serviceable rifle for a fair price. Lots of people use them with no fault, just don't expect Thompson Center quality.

[mooman76]

CVA did come from the same place in Spain but they quit marketing side locks quite some time ago. I'm hearing that Traditions more or less took over when CVA quit. In fact the same parts were interchangeable for the most part.

[mattri]

Good informarion thanks.

I understand that the TCs/Lymans are a better quality but how so, what is better, how?

[LAGS]

The TC's and Lyman's just look feel and work like they are better quality.
But not as good as parts like L&R locks.
But the Traditions work well for what quality they are.
I have a bunch of ML's including Lots of TC's ,a few Lyman's , the one Traditions and a higher quality flintlock.
IMO.
The Traditions is a good starter rifle even for hunting.
For the current price new, they aren't too bad of deal , either finished guns or the kits.
But I have found lots of GOOD deals on used Traditions that I picked up and sold to friends that wanted to get into Black Powder shooting on limited budgets.
They were all very happy with them.

[megasupermagnum]

I really like the feel of TC's. They are a solid gun, everything fits together like they should. I find on CVA/Traditions often there will be something less than perfect. Maybe the barrel doesn't fit super right in the stock, maybe the wedge doesn't fit right, maybe the lock doesn't fit right, etc. Sometimes you get a good Traditions, and sometimes you get a bad TC.

[arcticap]

Traditions guns are made by Ardesa in Spain.
Some of their guns in Europe are sold as Ardesa but you don't find many of those in the US.

Some folks get great accuracy from their guns and have posted some nice targets.
https://ammoterra.com/company/ardesa-s-a

[Prairie Cowboy]

I cant say if they are the same rifle or not, but I'm fairly sure CVA and Traditions are made in the same place in Spain. They shoot, some fairly well. They are bottom rung guns though, not all that great quality. They usually make a serviceable rifle for a fair price. Lots of people use them with no fault, just don't expect Thompson Center quality.

I very much agree. I've seen some Traditions Hawkens with misaligned nipple drums that can not be struck squarely by the hammer. Just poorly placed lock positioning.

The Kentucky models have a crude lock internally, poor inletting, floppy triggers, and the stock is made from stained beech. Accurate barrels though.

[lead chucker]

I have a Traditions 50 flintlock deer hunter with the fiber sights and plastic stock. It was my first flintlock. I can hit a 12 gauge shot shell at 50 yards with a patched round ball most of the time. That's using a good rest. The lock isnt as fast as my pedersali 32 flintlock. Not sure if i spelled that right. Im goint to get a better lock of it. Lots of fun to shoot and light weight.

[sharps4590]

Hawkins? Never heard of that other than as a character in Treasure Island. Sure isn't a muzzleloading rifle. Maybe talking about "Hawken?"

Traditions, depends on your tastes. They seem about the same as the old CVA to me and the CVA's I had were all good shooters. About as historically accurate as a 283 Chevy engine in a '57 Ford but, good shooters.

[toot]

where is TAURUS, located?

[megasupermagnum]

where is TAURUS, located?

I've never seen a muzzleloader from Taurus.

[fifty four]

Bought a Traditions "Kentucky" kit after trying one that a buddy had picked up, second hand. Kit went together with no trouble and is accurate and reliable. Whatever else one can say about them, and I'm not doubting anyone's negative experience, those rifles are great shooters.