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Thread: Marlin 1889 Rifle in .38 WCF

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    Marlin 1889 Rifle in .38 WCF

    I recently sold off some safe queens which resulted in me having a pile of fun money to spend. I used some of it to buy a Marlin 1889 rifle chambered in .38 WCF (AKA .38-40).

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    The 1889 was the first side-ejecting Marlin lever action. Following Marlin designs are basically refinements of the 1889. It was manufactured from 1889 until it was replaced by the 1894, but Marlin continued to sell new 1889s made from existing stocks of parts until 1903. Around 55,000 were sold in this time.

    The rifle I bought was made in 1890. The wood is sound with most of the original finish remaining, alongside a nice assortment of dings. There are a couple chips but nothing serious. The metal is in decent shape for a 130 year old rifle that obviously saw quite a bit of use.

    The bore is in good shape except for some crud or rust down near the throat. Otherwise there's no major pitting and the crown is in good shape.

    Pretty much all the screws show signs of disassembly using improperly fitting screwdrivers.

    The "JM" proofmark is on the bottom of the barrel, covered by the forearm. The blue under the forearm looks like it was made last week, even though the rest of the metal has turned brown.

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    The barrel is marked with the caliber, ".38 W" on top near the breach. It's largely worn away there since that's the balance point, and I suspect that's where it was carried in the field.

    The barrel markings and the "Marlin Safety" stamp on top of the receiver are in good shape.

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    I detail stripped the rifle after receiving on Friday. There was some dirt and crud but not a whole lot. I did find that the half cock notch on the hammer is damaged with a chip out of it. It will hold at half cock but can be pushed off. So, that will need to be fixed.

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    Before taking the rifle to a friend's house to shoot it, I ran some functioning dummies through it. Unfortunately, it seems to have a variant of the "Marlin jam" due to wear and tear. I was able to get it to feed a couple rounds from the magazine by loosening the front screw holding the front the trigger plate to the bottom of the receiver. Doing so apparently allows the magazine spring to push rounds onto the elevator. Obviously, this isn't a long term solution.

    The Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook (48th Ed.) classes the Marlin 1889 along with the Winchester 1892 and Marlin 1894 are a "Group 2" action for strength. I have no plans to hot rod the gun but because the bolt and locking block are in good condition, I have no compunctions about firing full black powder equivalent loads through it, whether loaded with black or smokeless.

    Anyway, I put around 30 rounds of Ultramax .38 WCF cowboy action loads through it yesterday. As long as I put no more than 3 rounds in the magazine it fed OK. We shot it offhand at about 25 yards and got accuracy comparable to my .38 WCF Uberti 1866 Sporting Rifle firing the same ammo.

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    Point of impact was another story. It shoots about 8" high at 25 yards with the rear sight on the lowest notch. It needs a higher front sight. This also gives me an excuse to install something that my 52 year old eyes can see better than the original German silver blade. (Don't fret, if I change out the sights I'll keep the originals.)

    My next steps are to try to get it to feed reliably. It might just need a stronger magazine spring to force the rounds onto the carrier, so that's an easy thing to try. If not, I'll have to get ahold of a gunsmith familiar with Marlins.

    As for the hammer, I'll need to get a gunsmith to TIG up the half cock notch and recut it. I'm open to recommendations.

    Hopefully I'll be able to get the rifle up and running so I can use it for deer hunting.

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    Very nice find - congrats ! !

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    Congrats! Mine is very picky on COAL. I've tried using the lee .40 cal 180gr boolits, and they are too long to get a good crimp on them. Mine had no mag spring when I got it, and have had no issues from the system with a new one. I got a great deal on brass from No.1 a while ago if you need any.
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    Thanks for the brass offer. However, I have several hundred Starline cases. I use a set of Lee dies and a Lee Factory Crimp Die.

    For bullets the 180 grain RNFP from Desperado Cowboy Bullets work well in my 1866, so I'm hoping they work well in the Marlin once I get everything sorted out. I've tried bullets cast from an Accurate Molds 40-180E in the '66 but it doesn't seem to like the profile. I'm going to tinker with that some more before I give up on them, however.

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    if you older guys ever watched Big Valley they used the marlin

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    A bit of an update...

    Yesterday I put the gun back together after cleaning the inside of the magazine tube and replacing the mag spring. It now appears to feed and function fine. The only remaining major issue is the chip on the half cock notch. I also need to bench it at 50 yards to confirm POI because when I shot it offhand it was shooting high. I may need a taller front sight.

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    very nice, thanks for sharing.
    ive gotten a couple old marlins with crud in parts of the barrel and fortunately each of them cleaned up near perfect with a whole bunch of scrubbing with brass brushes and oil.

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    Very nice ! Chased a couple on GB but they went price crazy at the end. Looks like a fun gun.

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    All I will write is we like our's.... been with us over 10 years.
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    I seem to have acquired a favorite customer. A while back a customer came in with an 1889 carbine in 38-40. He didn't have any ammo so I gave hime some to try it out. I joked with him and said when you get tired of it you can give it to me. Several month later he came in and handed it to me. It has part of the butt stock missing and repaired with the top of a ladies boot wrapped around the stock. My first thought was to make a new butt stock but then thought it would be best too leave it as is. I have not shot it so don't know if it shoot strait. Other than a piece of wood missing it looks in good shape.

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    Looks like mine, but its in 44-40 and has little blue left. I suspect someone tried to clean light rust off with either sandpaper or steel wool and got a bit heavy handed. Bore is near perfect

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    Great find, glad you enjoy it.
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    Very cool, thanks for sharing!

    Very interested in how the hammer repair turns out.

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    Nice rifle! I have one in .32-20.

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    What Brad said. The barrel on mine is pitted enough it doesn't like cast bullets. With jacketed t shoots amazingly good out to 50 yards. Haven't put it on paper any farther. Cool old rifles.
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    The 1889 is truly underrated. I love mine in 32/20.

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    I like mine but, I really believe I prefer my old '92....that my son claimed. Don't take that as an indictment of the 1889, I like it a lot as well and I'm not looking to replace it.
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