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Thread: I donít get the infatuation with powder coat and hi tech

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    I donít get the infatuation with powder coat and hi tech

    Whatís the big deal? I cast the bullets, handle them one time through a lubrisizer then load them . No separate sizing operation , no shake and bake, no concern about size variation, No concern about brand of paint, just a very time efficient loading operation. Sure they look pretty but so what. The traditional lubed/ sized bullets shoot great and do not lead. Why change? I have had leading problems with many of the commercial Handgun high tech bullets if velocity is high but that may be too hard bullets with a bevel base. What am I missing? Seems like a waste of time with the extra steps for pretty bullets. Do they group better? Or is it just something different for those with much free time.😀 I am not a snowflake so you can flame me. Its all in good fun but I would like to know.

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    I buy them Hi-tec coated. I bought lubed cast one time. The lube fell out on some. Im guessing from shipping. So i sorta fixed em with chap stick lol. It worked no leading.
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    Perhaps you are just more astute. Oddly, my .30 cal rifles shoot very well with tumble lube. My handguns on the other hand do very well with powder coat. I am still learning.

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    I like the fact that they store indefinitely without oxidizing. I don't like grit sticking to to my tumble lube or lubed grooves. Don't have to change lube for different velocities either. The list go on but I'll let others chime in.

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    One thing i can do now is cast and coat a gazillion of them and store with no worries about all the lube sticking to the noses or bases of all the other boolits in the bulk boxes. The sizing stroke is perhaps the same on both, but I don't fumble with putting the little thing down in the 450 base, then taking it out, and every once in a while shave the side off if I don't have a perfectly flat base. The push through is so much faster.

    I also don't have that tell tale sign of the normal boolit caster at the range, the lube burnoff.

    The storage thing was what sold me more than anything.

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    Besides the storage thing, PC should allow you to shoot dead soft lead at high pressures/velocity with no leading. It may or may not shoot good, but there will be no fouling if your coating is good.


    I tried PC bullets, didn't like them. I do a mix of tumble lube and wax lubing myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slim1836 View Post
    I like the fact that they store indefinitely without oxidizing. I don't like grit sticking to to my tumble lube or lubed grooves. Don't have to change lube for different velocities either. The list go on but I'll let others chime in.

    Slim
    This is also the reason I decided to go with PC.

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    normally the people who ask this question already own $250 of lube sizing setup which makes it easy for them. could ask the other way and say why would i spend 10x more to lube

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    I only use Lee sizing dies and only use LLA or PC. They are both easy to do, I don’t really prefer one over the other.

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    For rifle, where you're shooting far slower, there's probably not much time savings. On rifle, 60 rounds is a long day at the range. I still pan lube some of my .45 cowboy loads, because the time savings is negligible for 48 rounds.

    But for pistol, where I'll go through several hundred rounds, at least, in a couple hours at the range, it's definitely a time saver. If I bring the kids with me, I can easily go through 500+ handgun rounds in a couple hours.

    Coating 20lbs of 9mm gives me 1k+ rounds lubed in under an hour (5lbs per batch, 1 minute shake x 4 batches, 8 mins on top of the oven to warm for the first batch, 8 mins per batch cook time x 4 with the next batch warming on top of the oven while each cooks = ~45 minutes). If I want to double coat, it takes about 90 minutes, since I recoat as soon as they cool, while the next batch is still in the oven.

    I can put 1k rounds through a push through die in about 15-20 minutes. So, all told, around 2 hours for 1k rounds ready to load. How long does it take you to put 1k rounds through your lube sizer?

    Also how much does the lube add to your per-round cost? The Hi-Tek is under a hundredth of a penny per round.

    They don't stick, they don't smoke, they're fast to make in bulk, they're cheap, and you can store them forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogdoc View Post
    What’s the big deal? I cast the bullets, handle them one time through a lubrisizer then load them . No separate sizing operation , no shake and bake, no concern about size variation, No concern about brand of paint, just a very time efficient loading operation. Sure they look pretty but so what. The traditional lubed/ sized bullets shoot great and do not lead. Why change? I have had leading problems with many of the commercial Handgun high tech bullets if velocity is high but that may be too hard bullets with a bevel base. What am I missing? Seems like a waste of time with the extra steps for pretty bullets. Do they group better? Or is it just something different for those with much free time.�� I am not a snowflake so you can flame me. Its all in good fun but I would like to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NyFirefighter357 View Post
    This is also the reason I decided to go with PC.
    Funny, I have seldom had this problem with storing cast lubed bullets. Just don't see the big deal.

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    Much cleaner to load and shoot. Get the exact right size of bullet isn’t quite as important. The start up cost is less. The only downside to PC’ing is that it takes a smidgen longer to setup the bullets for baking.

    If you’re getting leading problems someone probably screwed up the curing process.

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    If I already had a lube sizer I would probably still be shooting regular lubed bullets. But since I do not, then it is either pan lube (messy) or powder coat. They both take about the same amount of time.

    For some bullets that do not need sizing powder coat is faster.

    If I ever found a good lube sizer for not much money I'd probably go back to lubed bullets.

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    I've never seen leading with any coated bullet regardless of alloy or speed.

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    Far less smoke on shooting. Might not seem like much but it makes a difference for rapid-fire pistol-shooting eg. IPSC/IDPA.

    I use my Star lubesizer now only as a sizer - and yeah, I was a traditionalist.
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    I like to powder coat because it works great, is very easy to do, is less messy and allows you to do fun things like this:
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    One thing I have noticed is that powder coating is a miracle to some and a dismal failure to some. I shoot sized and lubed and just powder coated and sized. Powder coated is great on an indoor range that allows reloads or handloads, whatever one wants to call them.
    Much less smoke to contend with. To me that is a good thing. Much else I don't care either way.
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    Everyone did notice that it is listed under coatings and "alternatives".


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    Well I ain't PC crazy. I feel pc is a tool to use when lubesizing won't work. I don't understand the logic of not being able to afford a lubesizer, they are only like $75 used. Even I managed to get one and I'm poor.

    I have fun with my bullets without all the gay colors. If I get all excited bout colors I'll break out the colored pencils and one of the wife's coloring books.

    Minds me of a funny story. Well the wife's father was visiting and we was driving a few places looking for adult coloring books for the wife. First place didn't have any. So we went to michaels and they had some. He started laughing. He said "that's not what I thought you meant by adult coloring books!" Guess he figured we'd only need various shades of pinks and browns.
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