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    i have starline's 500 linebaugh(500 pcs). of the 500 pcs, 100 pcs is all i use. i have reloaded the 100 pcs about 9 or 10 times. they were trimmed about 2 times, one was when i first got them and two it was 4 or 5 times. i also have starline's 44 spl brass (500 pcs) and they are trimmed about 3 times. the 44 spl is reloaded "i don't know , but its alot".

    the 444 marlin starline brass should be good too. i have about 400-500 pcs of remington brass, so i'm good there.

    i'd say starline should make a 30-40 krag, 7.65x53 arg and 30 rem(25, 30, 32 and 35 rem).
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    It's been 3-4 years since I've bought some Starline brass but I have used it in many handgun calibers with complete satisfaction. I've always considered Starline brass to be top shelf but I guess things could have changed.
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    And start making 35 Remington cases....

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    The last 2 batches of 1,000 Starline 44 Mag I bought were exactly in the middle dimension wise, length was 1.275" . The SAAMI spec is 1.285" -.020"

    I agree about uneven temper in new Starline brass but that goes away when you shoot it. New diameter was good so all I did is run the flair die.

    Primers is a whole other business

    WOW! Just checked their site, they got NOTHING! I think they have all the business they can use right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BK7saum View Post
    My perceptions were that this wasn't a hardness issue, but the new clean brass is "sticky". It can be more sticky depending on how it was handled or how the bullet was handled/treated. I have given new brass a light coat of "
    one shot" and it completely fixed the seating tension variability on the first loading. On subsequent loadings, have you still seen the issue? I have not seen any of the "sticky" problem on 1x fired brass run through the vibratory tumbler with corncob. I have also run the brass through the corncob tumbler to get rid of the "sticky" problem.
    Sure, clean brass can stick, but this is a problem unique to Starline, as well as a couple other's I've ran into. I did a multi-day test in 327 federal between Starline and Federal brand brass. I had a load I had worked up, even down to which primer shot best. I did a 28 shot average with each, from a rest, at 50 yards. The Starline brass shot an average 4.69". Federal brass shot 3.04". The proof is in the pudding. That was even with Starline brass I had sorted out by feel as being the most consistent seating! Federal brass was just taken from the bag.

    I will say one thing, Starline makes thick and tough brass. If not overworked, it is likely to last longer than most. If it is worked, many have case splitting issues.

    As for accuracy, whether it be hardness, case length, or whatever, Starline is lacking. Federal, Winchester, and Hornady handgun brass is superior. I've even had better luck with Remington, which some people hate Remington brass. I've not tried any Starline bottleneck rifle brass, but I have a hard time believing they are as good as Hornady, and certainly not even close to Norma or Lapua. I've not seen anyone switch from Lake City to Starline either.

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    Which brings me back to a question I asked someone this weekend. Why does t Hornady get into the primer business. They make everything else from components to loaded ammo. Anyone know why they don't?

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    Never had a problem with their brass. Recently bought .44 mag, .44spl., .357 and .38 spl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomme boy View Post
    There are other companies other than the ones you all think of that make primers. Local reloader does not use the CCI,Fed, Win, Rem primers. He gets them in a 3.5K box. They are loose not packaged like we get. He says they are not available to the general public.
    Does he get these?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskerguy View Post
    Which brings me back to a question I asked someone this weekend. Why does t Hornady get into the primer business. They make everything else from components to loaded ammo. Anyone know why they don't?
    I don't think Hornady make their own brass, primers, or powder. They buy them from others and use them with their bullets to make some of the best factory ammo you can buy. I think they have very good quality control and hold their suppliers to high standards.

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    I have plenty of primers. I just wish Star Line would start making .223 brass again.

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    It would be awesome if they started making 303 and 7.62x54r brass with a thicker then usual web to prevent case head separation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    I don't think Hornady make their own brass, primers, or powder. They buy them from others and use them with their bullets to make some of the best factory ammo you can buy. I think they have very good quality control and hold their suppliers to high standards.

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    Hornady makes their own brass and bullets. That is their bread and butter. They make most of their own stuff, although I wouldn't be surprised if they have multiple plants. Powder and primers are a whole other matter. Federal is the only company I know of that makes their own primers. CCI does, but primers and rimfire is about all they do. I don't know much of the market outside of the USA, so for all I know Fiocchi or another European company does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenton View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    Hornady makes their own brass and bullets. That is their bread and butter. They make most of their own stuff, although I wouldn't be surprised if they have multiple plants. Powder and primers are a whole other matter. Federal is the only company I know of that makes their own primers. CCI does, but primers and rimfire is about all they do. I don't know much of the market outside of the USA, so for all I know Fiocchi or another European company does.
    How do you know that Hornady makes their own brass. I was reading a review of a new load from Hornady and the article said the brass was made for Hornady by Norma. I am not saying you are wrong just wondering about your sources. Also I have read that some Winchester ammo is made by S&B. The head stamp on brass is not always indicative of who made the brass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megasupermagnum View Post
    Hornady makes their own brass and bullets. That is their bread and butter. They make most of their own stuff, although I wouldn't be surprised if they have multiple plants. Powder and primers are a whole other matter. Federal is the only company I know of that makes their own primers. CCI does, but primers and rimfire is about all they do. I don't know much of the market outside of the USA, so for all I know Fiocchi or another European company does.
    I thought Winchester and Remington make primers for the ammo the produce in house. If not who do they get them from.

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    Fourteen cents a piece? Those are pretty dear primers. 140 bucks a sleeve, if I did the math right.
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    I doubt highly they will ever get into manufacturing the primers but selling primed brass might be a logical step . I believe Midway used to do that dont know if they still do or not .
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    Quote Originally Posted by rintinglen View Post
    Fourteen cents a piece? Those are pretty dear primers. 140 bucks a sleeve, if I did the math right.
    Almost $15/100 primers if you add in the hazmat shipping. Not long ago I bought loaded steel case 9mm for less that that, but supply and demand I suppose. Just glad I don't need to pay that much to have ammo on hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    How do you know that Hornady makes their own brass. I was reading a review of a new load from Hornady and the article said the brass was made for Hornady by Norma. I am not saying you are wrong just wondering about your sources. Also I have read that some Winchester ammo is made by S&B. The head stamp on brass is not always indicative of who made the brass.

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    I could be wrong about Remington, although now they are defunct anyway. Winchester might, but I don't really consider them truly Winchester anymore either. As for Hornady, here is a plant tour.

    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ho...finished-ammo/

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