we smoked a whole shoulder today, with just a little butt rub and everglades seasoning.it went in the smoker about 9am on 225 for about 2 1/2 hours.my wife cut up some taters and onions and put in a roasting pan with the shoulder and a little beef broth for 3 more hours covered then just cut it off and left it till we came out of the woods.we heated it back up a little and it pulled off the bone clean and was fork tender.it turned out great