universal vs universal clays

[captn-tin]

Looking at some data for 9mm 124gr jhp bullets. In Richard Lee's Modern Reloading manual there is a load calling for universal clay and a different load calling for clays. Am I right in assuming that universal clay is now what Hodgon calls just plain old universal? Reason I'm asking? I was just gifted 4lbs of h universal. Thanks for any info.

[dbosman]

Just to further muddy things, there was an International Clays for a while, too.

[bdicki]

The clay powders were meant to compete with the dots, not interchangeable data but same uses. I use universal same as I use Unique with the proper data, mostly use it for 28 ga skeet loads. IMR has done the same thing I picked up 4 pounds of IMR green for trap loads. They dropped the clays on universal and international powders to avoid confusion.
Clays - Red dot
International - Green dot
Universal - Unique

[dbosman]

Thanks. I've never seen it discussed in that way. It make sense now.

[skeettx]

Well said
Thank you
Mike

[Valley-Shooter]

Universal Clays and Universal are the same power.

They had to drop the Clays part because to many ignorant people were confusing the different powders.



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[Stephen Cohen]

The clay powders were meant to compete with the dots, not interchangeable data but same uses. I use universal same as I use Unique with the proper data, mostly use it for 28 ga skeet loads. IMR has done the same thing I picked up 4 pounds of IMR green for trap loads. They dropped the clays on universal and international powders to avoid confusion.
Clays - Red dot
International - Green dot
Universal - Unique

Judging by the data I have viewed, I concur. Regards Stephen

[Ecramer]

Hate to admit it, but I was probably one of the dumb ones -- I could never keep the different "clays" straight -- always had to write it down before going to buy powder. Without the "Clays" on the end, it's much less confusing.