Wads for the Lyman 525gr

[Geezer in NH]

Everyone has the clone and non the real thing. The clone is not the same from reading this board.

[Porta]

Porta: are you going to shoot those in a Rifled Barrel or Smooth Bore. Aluminum Card? Did you make those?

Randy

yes I’ll be shooting these out of smooth bore and yes I make the aluminum cards I make all my shot card

[Porta]

Yes I’ll be shooting these out of smooth bore . And yes I make the aluminum spacer cards I make all my shot cards nitro overshot all of them

[centershot]

Porta, can you detail how you are punching those aluminum cards please?

[Porta]

Sure .... on the cards I have advantage over ever one . I am a precision sheet metal fabricator for my job and I run a Cnc turret punch and I can make thousands in just a few min I also punch the nitro cards out of pressboard and my machine will also punch that material also.

[centershot]

Sure .... on the cards I have advantage over ever one . I am a precision sheet metal fabricator for my job and I run a Cnc turret punch and I can make thousands in just a few min I also punch the nitro cards out of pressboard and my machine will also punch that material also.

A CNC turret punch........it's been a while since I've written G-code but I think I can still manage it. But when Mrs. Centershot gets the bill for that punch she's gonna' go through the roof..........

[Kylongrifle]

How thick do you make your aluminum cards? I’ve made dies for my forging press to do the same job but with steel.

[Porta]

How thick do you make your aluminum cards? I’ve made dies for my forging press to do the same job but with steel.

I can make them any thickness I want for the spacer cards I’m making those .060 thick the nitro cards are out of fiber board those are .115-.125

[Kylongrifle]

Ill add that Ive noticed a bit of bulging trying the 12s3 wads in fiocchi high brass game hulls I had..None of the hulls showed that with the waa12f114 CB wads. Im thinking maybe the inside of the 12s3 wad has some taper or slope to it and when I add the card its flaring out the wad???

[centershot]

Yes, the 12S3 wad petals are thicker than the AAF114's and they taper from mouth to base. I like the 12S3 but wouldn't choose it in this application. The WW AA12R or it's clone, or the AA12 or it's clone have shown themselves to be good choices. My last purchase of Claybuster AA12 clones have petals that are 0.010" thicker than WW AA12's so be careful if you switch wads, clones are sometimes not true clones.

[SuperBlazingSabots]

Greetings, I would not touch the clones with a 10 feet pole.
Your weakest link in the load is the strongest link, why put in all that effort if you will use clones.


Cooking your own load is an art, " load them with pride to do justice to accuracy "

Best regards,
Ajay K. Madan
Super Blazing Sabots

[Mike Robinson]

I load the Lyman 525 slug (actually weighs about 506 grains) for use in both my rifled 500, and my Mossberg made rifled 870 barrels. I have tried a number of wad combinations, but the best one is as follows:

Cheddite 2 3/4” with CH 209 primer. Fed 209A also works great.
34.0 gr. longshot
X12X + 1/4” FC + 1/8” card wad + 12S4 SC + .135” 16 ga. card wad in the bottom of the shot cup.

I also have also used a 3/8” hard waxed card in lieu of the 1/4” FC and 1/8” card.

The OD of the SC with slug is 0.732”.

From a bench I get 1 1/2” to 2” groups at 50 yards. I have never shot groups at 100 yards with them, but they have no problem hitting deer at 100 yards.
I cut the SC off the original wad.

I have also tried hot glue in the base, but it didn’t make any difference at 50 yards.

[Kylongrifle]

Yes, the 12S3 wad petals are thicker than the AAF114's and they taper from mouth to base. I like the 12S3 but wouldn't choose it in this application. The WW AA12R or it's clone, or the AA12 or it's clone have shown themselves to be good choices. My last purchase of Claybuster AA12 clones have petals that are 0.010" thicker than WW AA12's so be careful if you switch wads, clones are sometimes not true clones.

yea the clones work just fine with shot loads but dont always with slugs.. The CB version of the WAA12F114 has worked decent so far but I havnt been able to give it a real test yet. I just picked up some original WWA12's and WAA12R's so Im gonna try them too

[Kylongrifle]

I load the Lyman 525 slug (actually weighs about 506 grains) for use in both my rifled 500, and my Mossberg made rifled 870 barrels. I have tried a number of wad combinations, but the best one is as follows:

Cheddite 2 3/4” with CH 209 primer. Fed 209A also works great.
34.0 gr. longshot
X12X + 1/4” FC + 1/8” card wad + 12S4 SC + .135” 16 ga. card wad in the bottom of the shot cup.

I also have also used a 3/8” hard waxed card in lieu of the 1/4” FC and 1/8” card.

The OD of the SC with slug is 0.732”.

From a bench I get 1 1/2” to 2” groups at 50 yards. I have never shot groups at 100 yards with them, but they have no problem hitting deer at 100 yards.
I cut the SC off the original wad.

I have also tried hot glue in the base, but it didn’t make any difference at 50 yards.

so if im right your building a hard colume with a shotcup only off the 12s4 to hold the slug, right?

[Mike Robinson]

Correct. Another thing I do is use a pliers ( the center rounded portion) to create small “ notches” around the base of the slug in order to increase friction between the slug and wad. I insert the base plug in the slug while doing this to avoid distorting the base. I don’t know if it helps, but I am very happy with the accuracy.

[tomcat388th]

I haven't been on this site for years but this was my goto 2 3/4 load when I use my 12ga ush theres also a good 3 inch that I use. Do a search of my screen name guys name was Peter had some impressive groups



I've shot this slug for quite a few years out of a 12g ultra slug hunter
2 3/4 federal gold medal hull
federal 12s4 wad
win 209 primer
45 grains blue dot
Back fill the slug cavity flush with hot melt glue this keep the wad from pushing up the backside and take a file and lay the slug on it side and knurl the edges this will grip the wad a little better for spin. this load will stay on a 3 inch dot at 100 yards. The only problem that I have is with plastic fouling after about 6 or 7 shot that starts to effect accuracy. These slug just hammer deer on a good chest shot it usually bang flop.
Justin aka Illinideer