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    Lighter/Faster Deer Load

    I was going to use a Lee 240gr RN, but thought I would want more hydrostatic shock, so I got a lot lighter, flat-nosed bullet.



    Hopefully this bullet will do the job!

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    22-250 is faster, if that’s what you’re after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dangitgriff View Post
    22-250 is faster, if that’s what you’re after.
    It doesn't fit in a straight walled chamber... which I need to hunt in Ohio.

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    Touché.
    I counter with:


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    did you mention alloy? i just got done making my deer bullets for the same gun but doing kinda the opposite of you with a soft nosed 300gr

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    LOL.

    A friend has a BHA Model 89. 500SW Mag in a levergun just a bit bigger than a Winchester 1892. Expensive for sure, but an heirloom quality example of functional art in steel and walnut. BHA is about 15 minutes drive from me. Slowly saving my pennies for a Model 89. That'll take a while. For now I have my Henry H010X and Rossi M92.
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    Well, the OP could just go cheap and get himself a 444 Marlin. Problem solved!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Win94ae View Post
    I was going to use a Lee 240gr RN, but thought I would want more hydrostatic shock, so I got a lot lighter, flat-nosed bullet.



    Hopefully this bullet will do the job!
    Will the 240 not kill deer?
    grit yer teeth an pull the trigger

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    Quote Originally Posted by gon2shoot View Post
    Will the 240 not kill deer?

    A 240Gr bullet out of a .44mag levergun will kill any deer with good shot placement at reasonable distances. Doesn't need to expand either. A flat nosed 240gr bullet is preferable to a round nose 240gr.

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    Something like this perhaps?
    http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_...31-165DG-D.png

    I have the non gas checked version and it works great out of my Glenfield.
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    The 44-40 Winchester 200gr flat point has been used to kill Deer for a long, long time. As well as you shoot that Marlin .44 mag,no worries! If all goes right this season, I hope to christen my 44-40 on a deer with the same type bullet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmortell View Post
    did you mention alloy? i just got done making my deer bullets for the same gun but doing kinda the opposite of you with a soft nosed 300gr
    I don't know the alloy. I made some a long time ago, it was harder than I liked and I kept adding soft lead until the bullets performed like I wanted.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Eccentric View Post
    LOL.

    A friend has a BHA Model 89. 500SW Mag in a levergun just a bit bigger than a Winchester 1892. Expensive for sure, but an heirloom quality example of functional art in steel and walnut. BHA is about 15 minutes drive from me. Slowly saving my pennies for a Model 89. That'll take a while. For now I have my Henry H010X and Rossi M92.
    Yeah, I don't really like Marlins, but it will do... hopefully!

    Quote Originally Posted by dangitgriff View Post
    Well, the OP could just go cheap and get himself a 444 Marlin. Problem solved!
    That would be $1000 more expensive than a mold. :/

    Quote Originally Posted by gon2shoot View Post
    Will the 240 not kill deer?
    A 40gr 22lr can kill a deer, recovering it is the tricky part. People here were saying that a round nose may not leave a blood trail, so that really isn't what I want.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Eccentric View Post
    A 240Gr bullet out of a .44mag levergun will kill any deer with good shot placement at reasonable distances. Doesn't need to expand either. A flat nosed 240gr bullet is preferable to a round nose 240gr.
    Yep, just wanted more hydrostatic shock, and a more dynamic wound cavity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmic_Charlie View Post
    Something like this perhaps?
    http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_...31-165DG-D.png

    I have the non gas checked version and it works great out of my Glenfield.
    Kind of, but a lot shorter with a tangent ogive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    The 44-40 Winchester 200gr flat point has been used to kill Deer for a long, long time. As well as you shoot that Marlin .44 mag,no worries! If all goes right this season, I hope to christen my 44-40 on a deer with the same type bullet.
    I have high hopes for this rifle come deer season, thanks! I hope your season fills the freezer!
    Last edited by Win94ae; 10-17-2020 at 03:01 PM. Reason: grammar

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    I don't often watch videos but hydrostatic shock is the last thing I want near edible meat. Put two holes in the chest, let some cold air in and some warm blood out and it won't take long to drop.
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    I have never shot a deer with 44mg carbine. I have shot many with Ruger SBH. Shooting 240gr Hornady JHP and switched to XTPs. Same charge 22.5gr of H-2400. Only gun I load hot because that’s it’s sweet spot. All my pistol kills 40-50 yds. The 240HP puts them on the ground, never had one make it further than I could see from point of impact. I have a nice 1894sr that I was fooling with lighter bullets, it likes the 240s and they are more that enough for deer. I hate it we have to use straight case/ 38 minimum in Ohio. Guys obsess over bullets for these big bores, the deer were wiped out of Ohio with muzzle loaders less than 40cal shooting patched balls. Any 38cal or larger going 800 FPS is more than enough for deer. Of course you have to make the shot. Big bullets don’t make up for poor placement.

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    You won't have a problem putting any deer you see down. Good hunting to you!
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    Post a picture of your very dead deer!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Gianni View Post
    I don't often watch videos but hydrostatic shock is the last thing I want near edible meat. Put two holes in the chest, let some cold air in and some warm blood out and it won't take long to drop.
    I want my deer to drop immediately, I'd rather die very close to where I shot it and at the least, stay on my property. I'm not so worried about an area of bloodshot ribs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drm50 View Post
    I have never shot a deer with 44mg carbine. I have shot many with Ruger SBH. Shooting 240gr Hornady JHP and switched to XTPs. Same charge 22.5gr of H-2400. Only gun I load hot because that’s it’s sweet spot. All my pistol kills 40-50 yds. The 240HP puts them on the ground, never had one make it further than I could see from point of impact. I have a nice 1894sr that I was fooling with lighter bullets, it likes the 240s and they are more that enough for deer. I hate it we have to use straight case/ 38 minimum in Ohio. Guys obsess over bullets for these big bores, the deer were wiped out of Ohio with muzzle loaders less than 40cal shooting patched balls. Any 38cal or larger going 800 FPS is more than enough for deer. Of course you have to make the shot. Big bullets don’t make up for poor placement.
    I want the heart to be destroyed; at the least, like this...

    They usually don't go anywhere when I hit them like that.
    I've shot a few deer with my 357 using a 158gr HP-XTP at 1050fps; and yes, I've had pass through heart/lung/ shots where I had to track it in the dark, with next to no blood trail.
    So yeah, I'll go with the 95% immediate drop method. I don't see how this is a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by swheeler View Post
    You won't have a problem putting any deer you see down. Good hunting to you!
    Yes, I have much confidence in this load. Thank you!

    Quote Originally Posted by Silvercreek Farmer View Post
    Post a picture of your very dead deer!
    I will, I will show at least the heart damage also.

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    I am just the opposite. I choose my 275 gr. WFN cast bullet over my 240 gr. WFN cast bullet for deer hunting. I like heavy versus light.

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    How dead is dead? I don't like light for caliber bullets or hollow points but deer hit with them are just as dead as the ones I shoot with heavy for caliber, large meplat bullets. I like penetration, others like the expansion and lesser penetration. Others worship at the alter of velocity, which really is overrated, but the deer are just as dead. Everyone's experience is different and some have restrictions others don't have to contend with. Shoot what you're confident with and puts a smile on your face.
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