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Thread: Alliant Reloader 7 .44-40 load

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    Quote Originally Posted by w30wcf View Post
    A capacity load of Reloader 7 under the historical 215 gr. 427098 bullet in the .44-40 24" barrel tripped the screens at an average velocity of 1,367 f.p.s. with very good accuracy.

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    I have discovered that 25gr of current productions of RL is a case capacity load for both my 43-210B and Hornady 240gr SWC-HP.

    23gr produced an avg 1,337 fps out of my 24" Marlin
    25gr produces and avg of 1,425 fps

    Ironically the seating depth of the Hornady 240gr SWC-HP is about the same as the 43-210B so 25gr is also a case capacity load.

    25gr and 240gr bullet = 1,425 fps......just over max psi
    25gr and 210gr bullet = 1,424 fps......just under max psi

    I said I was done with RL-7 testing but I think I will try both loads now at 100 yards at some point in the future.

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    guess I look at like this. If I had a bunch of re7 I couldn't find a proper use for I might try it. But I sure wouldn't go buy it specifically for the 4440 or any handgun. Just doesn't make economic sense to use re7 when you can get the same results with half the charge weight of unique ect. Great powder in the35 rem 3030 444 and 4570 though.
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    The whole purpose is to replicate full case/low pressure curve loads....and for me.....the original style bullet sits on top of the powder so it does not telescope back into the case while inside the rifle magazine. The Lyman 427098 does not have a crimp grove and is crimped over the forward driving band. Only keeps the bullet from coming out, not backing in. To make you cringe even more, only about 65% of the powder is burned It is also about using slower (I didn't say slow) burning rifle powders rather than faster pistol powders and taking a chance on a double charge and blowing up the fine firearm. The other reason is to be able to use the Lyman 310 hand tool "in the field" and not have to worry about poor crimps...refer to my first sentence. The 240gr bullet is perfect for this application. For the Marlin, no measuring tool needed....fill the case so the bullet slips in by hand to the crimping desired depth and crimp. Technically I don't even need the bullet seating plug. Just the expander and crimp. SOOOooooooo many options so little time.

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    Savvy Jack sums up the rationale for Re-7 usage in this application (and in 32/20 WCF as well)--no crimp groove in either #427098 or in #311008, so the bullet seats against the powder column to resist "telescoping" during the shunting movement through the tube mag of a levergun--a crimp can wrapped around the bullet ogive to secure it in place against creep-out during revolver recoil. SAECO's crimp groove in #446 solved Lyman's design flaws, or at least acknowledged that black powder has smokeless competition--120 years along.
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    yeap....I also have the 43-215C which is a replica of the 427098 but has a crimp groove and large lube groove if one chooses to use black powder.
    http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_...=43-215C-D.png

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    Accurate 43-215C - Being a traditionalist, I decided that I wanted a bullet that would exactly match the original .44-40 bullet nose profile and would carry enough lube for the 24” trip many times accurately using standard Goex black powder. In addition, I had found that the original nose profile is best for down range accuracy (100+ yards) which is one of the things I like to do.~w30wcf
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    A couple bullets I've been using in both the .44 Magnum and the .44-40 are Accurate 43-230G and 43-230EB.

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    The 230G is a double-crimp-groove design which enables you to seat the bullet out in the .44 Special, or Ruger .44 Magnums to exploit their greater cylinder length to get greater case capacity. The 230EB is based on John's proven 43-215C design, but as bevel base added to bump the weight up a bit. I've gotten good accuracy with this bullet using 33-35 grains of Goex 3Fg and Confederate Army Lube" which is equal parts of Goya Manteca (unsalted filtered lard) and beeswax.

    Ditto on the 24-25 grains of current RL7 for both bullets, depending on seating depth and case capacity.

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    At left, a ten-shot, 100-yard group with Marlin and hunting scope. At right a 5-shot group fired with simple open sights, .44-40 Rossi with 43-230EB and black powder.
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    Thanks for chiming in Outpost....I was beginning to feel like I was in a ghost town.

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    Ya know I think I still have some left over you sent me several years ago, I will look and load some up if I do.

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    25gr RL-7 Accurate Mold 43-215C
    Melted, cast, sized, lubed and loaded all in a snowy North Carolina afternoon!!!

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    Accurate Mold

    43-230G left and the 43-215C right

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    So many loads, so little time!!!

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
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