Montana going lead free?

[Beerd]

Apparently (almost) anyone can buy space in the Montana hunting regulations booklet.

[Winger Ed.]

It's a suggestion for now, but the camel is trying to get its nose up under the edge of the tent too.

Hopefully yawl won't end up with the whole camel inside the tent.

[megasupermagnum]

"...or other high-weight retention ammunition."

Sounds like a job for a cast lead bullet to me.

[elmacgyver0]

It seems the left has their eyes on Montana.

[Lloyd Smale]

probably an add barnes paid for.

[reloader28]

No big suprise. Western Montana is very liberal.

[Norske]

Bozeman is fully Californicated, the nearby smaller cities aren't yet.

[memtb]

It seems the left has their eyes on Montana.

As a state, Montana is mostly lost to the leftest. Like some other states having lots of open country with few people....the few populated areas dominate the political spectrum! It’s beginning to happen in Idaho and Utah as well......the larger population bases tend to go left, ultimately determining the direction of state politics! memtb

[ShooterAZ]

Arizona has the same lead free recommendation. It's primarily in the hunt units that are adjacent to the Grand Canyon. They re-introduced the California Condor at the Canyon, and the condors love to eat lead laden gut-piles. It's not law, just recommended...but we all know what that leads to.

[waksupi]

As it says, won't happen due to state statute. There is also a federal law about it.

[white eagle]

Montana is left
At least by the stand point of the Governor
I would have thought Montana would have been the other way
but live and learn
why the attack on lead there seems to be a lot of that type of
propaganda going on I recall seeing it in our reg's as well

[405grain]

I watched as it happened around me in Kommiefornia. Here's how it works: First use questionable science to say that lead is harming a nearly extinct species. (It might be ingesting lead from chewing on paint chips, but blame it on bullets) Then create a lead free exclusion zone to protect that species. Now that the camel has it's foot under the tent, declare that you need to make all hunting in the state lead free so that you can protect all species. Next ban any bullets that contain lead from all public shooting ranges so that you can protect people by driving shooting ranges out of business. Next ban all lead ammo on public lands to save kittens, bunny's & baby ducks. Finally, make it illegal to possess any bullets that contain lead because "its for the children". You see, once the camel's inside the tent it just starts to take a dump everywhere!

[Shawlerbrook]

Just a matter of time before it’s the law of the land.

[Beerd]

In Montana there is a Fish and Wildlife Commission consisting of five members appointed by the governor.
By law this Commission "shall establish the hunting, fishing, and trapping rules of the department" of Fish Wildlife and Parks.
The law goes on to say "The commission may not regulate the use or possession of firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition, including the chemical elements of ammunition used for hunting."
Title87, chapter 1, 301(6), Montana Code Annotated.

Like most other states, the Montana Department of Fish, Wildlife & Parks publishes a glossy magazine full of some more or less interesting info. The latest issue devotes 6 pages to an article on "Choosing the unleaded option".

http://fwp.mt.gov/mtoutdoors/HTML/ar...LeadEagles.htm

The author is careful to point out that switching to lead free bullets is only a suggestion and is completely voluntary, but I don't like where this is headed.

[fastdadio]

What we really need is an electoral college at the state level for the same reason it's need on a national level.

[gnappi]

For waterfowl, upland birds and small game there's bismuth and steel. If hunters use these options, and the condors ingest it (ostensibly from the small game they eat) they'll poop the steel and get a belly ache free meal thanks to the bismuth

So the answer is clear, use what will not kill condors, and will not give ammunition / excuses to banners.

[megasupermagnum]

For waterfowl, upland birds and small game there's bismuth and steel. If hunters use these options, and the condors ingest it (ostensibly from the small game they eat) they'll poop the steel and get a belly ache free meal thanks to the bismuth

So the answer is clear, use what will not kill condors, and will not give ammunition / excuses to banners.

Bismuth price has come down quite a bit in the last 5 years, but it is still out of the price range of most people. We aren't talking about a small increase, or even double the price. Bismuth is about 8 times the cost of lead shot, and that's even with the current cost of lead shot, which is up dramatically from 10 years ago. Steel shot is less expensive than bismuth, but the special components cost more than lead loads. Plus steel shot is not safe in many guns. You need a gun built for steel shot, using special wads, and making sure your choke is modified or more open, or if using choke tubes, making sure that tube is rated for steel. Often choke tubes are only rated for certain steel loads up to a certain speed, say 1550 fps, so you have to watch that too. All of that nonsense for a load that is pathetic. Steel shot kills in it's limits, but it is pathetic compared to lead shot.

[Texas by God]

More waterfowl have died unrecovered from wounds due to the poor performance of steel shot than by ingesting lead from the silt. Lead free hunting laws only seek to reduce hunting, period. Has the Condor population doubled, tripled, or quadrupled since the lead ban?

[cp1969]

What we really need is an electoral college at the state level for the same reason it's need on a national level.

Absolutely! My governor won nine out of 105 counties, and each one of the nine is home to a liberal indoctrination center.

[edp2k]

So the answer is clear, use what will not kill condors, and will not give ammunition / excuses to banners.

NOT. They will never be satisfied, they will successively try to ban each and every type of firearm and ammunition and then
after all that they will try to ban kitchen knives, like they are trying to do now in the UK.

Appeasement never works.
Don't be afraid to stand up for your civil rights.