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    Do you believe our current political polarization is spiritual?

    I'm no Bible scholar in any shape or form, but the massive political divide in our country seems to be the result of some sort of supernatural "hardening of hearts".

    Every interaction I've had with people on the left has shown them to be completely incapable of rational thought or common sense. No matter what facts, science, or evidence you thoughtfully confront them with, they ignore it. My own daughter, who is the niece of a police detective and the granddaughter of a Chief of Police, both honorable and righteous men, has stated on social media that ALL cops are bad.

    How can a young woman, who grew up in a law enforcement family, with conservative Christian parents, suddenly reject her upbringing and own personal experiences and instead embrace the insidious lies of the left?

    I am truly at a loss to explain how so many people appear to be completely brainwashed in such a short amount of time.

    I truly believe we are in a struggle against evil and the massive polarization in this country is supernatural in origin.
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    Only if you believe that infant murder is a matter of legality and not of morality.
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    I don't know Idaho. The line does seem to be quite distinct, however.
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    For the left government control/ leftist policies are their religion. They have blind faith and obedience to their view of collectivism.
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    I think it is quite natural for a young person to reject their parent's views on things, at least for a short while, to assert their independence. Then they seem to settle back into how they were brought up and emulate their parents at least somewhat once they get a little older.

    As far as not being able to talk to someone about political views (or religion) and get rational, honest answers or have a thoughtful discussion, that depends on a person's maturity level (and I don't mean age) and ability to look at and analyze things without becoming emotional. Some people are so stunted that they stopped questioning, reflecting or learning early in their life. Then there are the people that are just dishonest--what can be done with them?

    I don't think much of this has to do with spirituality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wch View Post
    Only if you believe that infant murder is a matter of legality and not of morality.
    I'm a Conservative but I believe in abortion!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickisrulz View Post
    I think it is quite natural for a young person to reject their parent's views on things, at least for a short while, to assert their independence. Then they seem to settle back into how they were brought up and emulate their parents at least somewhat once they get a little older.

    As far as not being able to talk to someone about political views (or religion) and get rational, honest answers or have a thoughtful discussion, that depends on a person's maturity level (and I don't mean age) and ability to look at and analyze things without becoming emotional. Some people are so stunted that they stopped questioning, reflecting or learning early in their life. Then there are the people that are just dishonest--what can be done with them?

    I don't think much of this has to do with spirituality.
    I would have agreed with you 10 years ago, but this recent phenomenon is so stark, so pervasive, and so radical that it seems to go way beyond the normal youthful rebellion.

    I was just on Facebook and got sucked into a debate about a local town voting to extend the requirement to wear masks. My daughter commented on it and wanted the people that showed up to the city council meeting to protest the mask requirement jailed. There were dozens of commentators on the subject, most in their 30's and 40's, and older. There were people on both sides of the debate from all age groups. The pro-mask people were quick to launch personal attacks and say ridiculous things. The anti-mask people pointed out the science-based facts and evidence regarding masks and none of their points were acknowledged or addressed. Just hate-filled rhetoric from the leftists.

    When you have millions of people across the nation reject facts and evidence and respond with hate and violence, this speaks to something far more sinister at work than mere youthful rebellion.
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    There is nothing new under the sun.

    I believe what we are seeing is the Progressives winning their innings and they own the umpire. When we get our turn at bat, we aren't allowed bats. Certainly, no Sword of the Spirit. The winner writes the history, and we are getting ours written for us.
    What to do?
    As a clue, we shut down the churches
    but the liquor stores were essential.
    Walmart is essential, but Denny's is not.
    I am amazed that a man can get to 80,
    and never learn to cook or clean.
    We can't visit the old folks in the care homes
    so they are left to die of loneliness.
    Library might stay closed forever.
    Gasoline keeps coming, but not coins.
    What to do?
    Vote, last chance!
    California is 3 to 1 blue/red
    Their voter turnout is 30%
    If, and I say, IF
    every Republican in California turned out
    California would be Red.
    This election will be 50/50
    the dead voters will decide it.
    Or you will.

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    Yes I agree with your statement, "I truly believe we are in a struggle against evil and the massive polarization in this country is supernatural in origin."

    Everyone is faced with the choice, do I serve Jesus Christ or serve the Anti- Christ. Choose this day who you will serve.

    I urge every one to Repent, Pray and Vote for President Trump to be reelected, looks like this one is for all the marbles.

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    The divide is so great now that I can only see a cataclysmic event bringing the 2 sides together. Whatever event it might be would certainly result in massive death and agony for all of the country. Only when people are pushed beyond their limits will some turn to god. The rest will lash out in tantrums and follow evil ways to survive.

    God versus satan? Perhaps. I think that it more about how your conscience has formed.
    I'm an agnostic and only seek a greater understanding.

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    Well said.

    I have made similar observations and don't have any answer other than: You may be right.

    I have also questioned if this could could be the first signs of the Tribulation?

    Something to contemplate on my drive to Lewiston this morning.

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    God works at His pace and on His schedule. What is happening to the USA is tragic, but likely not that important to God. It is important to us, as we tend focus on what effects us and not the bigger picture. We are self-centered and flawed.

    I do not believe Gold speaks of "freedom" as we define it. He has given us the ultimate choice...to chose Him and to chose salvation...but even a slave can make that choice.

    As to a grand catastrophe to unite us, God did not intercede against the rise of Hitler and the death of 20 million until He was ready. Were the deaths "necessary" to achieve His goal(s)? or the result of man's evil?

    The USA is not mentioned in the Bible in any manner I am aware of. As a nation, we are of no more consequence to Him than Japan, China, Russia or Luxemburg. The countries of the Bible are all "Old World" countries.

    Evil has flourished with mankind since Genesis, and will not be eradicated until His return. God either cannot, or will not, control evil until He decides it is time. None of us can understand the why of it. But He has given us direction as to how to deal with evil if we chose to.

    In our little pea brains we require contrast. We cannot know if God needs that contrast but I suspect He does...or evil would not be needed. We need darkness to understand light, sound to understand silence, love to understand hate, sadness to understand joy, pain to understand joy.
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    They ONLY thing that has pushed me from Christian beliefs, is Christians. Exemplified by the deletion of posts in this section. God forbid that I don't march lock step with the 'real' christians.

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    I don't think its spiritual, what did Jesus teach? I'm no expert but from what I've been able to learn is he taught tolerance, righteousness, lifting up the downtrodden, healing, having faith in his father the lord of all.
    I think this great divide we have has a lot to do with money and power, half the country seems to have lots of disposable income, good jobs, security and the other half of the country has to work three jobs to make ends meet, or cannot find good employment, don't have decent housing or are too uneducated or too lazy and want or need some sort of assistance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by farmbif View Post
    I don't think its spiritual, what did Jesus teach? I'm no expert but from what I've been able to learn is he taught tolerance, righteousness, lifting up the downtrodden, healing, having faith in his father the lord of all.
    I think this great divide we have has a lot to do with money and power, half the country seems to have lots of disposable income, good jobs, security and the other half of the country has to work three jobs to make ends meet, or cannot find good employment, don't have decent housing or are too uneducated or too lazy and want or need some sort of assistance.


    So you're a fan of socialism?

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    I am inclined to believe that all of life has a spiritual element. Having said that, this whole riot, anti-fascism and blm thing has a profoundly and well concealed spiritual aspect to it. The leadership, and many of the people in the movement practice a Yoruban religion called Ifa'. This African tribal practice is the basis for all voodooistic religions of the world. We are in the midst of some serious spiritual warfare, and unfortunately most Christians are not even aware of it. If there was ever a time to be praying, it is now.

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    im not a fan of socialism, but that's the way I see the country, home sales are going crazy right now and at the same there are a whole bunch of people who had good jobs 8 months ago are now in food lines.
    we are a country of haves and have nots and I think could be one reason why the country is so divided. Wealth has been consolidated and the rich are richer than ever before and there are an awful lot of people with very little to nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho45guy View Post
    ........I truly believe we are in a struggle against evil and the massive polarization in this country is supernatural in origin.
    What supernatural force do you blame? I think more mundane evil is at work. The United Neoliberal/Neoconservative Plutocratic Oligarchic Elites have been working to divide us for decades. The people in power have been working to consolidate their base and eliminate moderate voices. If you can understand both sides of the argument and will listen to both sides you have been attacked and forced to pick a side. Neither side is right about everything so once you pick a side you have to accept some lies.

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    While the media get bashed a lot-- there is truth in blaming the media. 50 years ago, people with extreme views tended to get shut down by those in their community that were more rational. The reason was that people with extreme views were in a minority and had no support. Today, Thanks to the internet and media, anyone with an extreme view can find someone who will say that they are thinking and tell them they are right. This reinforces those extreme views and creates the split in society. This is something religion has not been able to address-- and I'm not sure how it can in today's environment. As an added problem, many of the far left young people from the 60's. who did not go into business jobs, ended up in education and became tenured professors. We have seen this with our grandchildren. They start out conservative, go off to college and take required classes in things like political science and swing way left-- then as they age and have to start paying the bills some, but not all, go conservative again.
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