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Thread: Do you believe our current political polarization is spiritual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by la5676 View Post
    Apparently you don't subscribe to the theory of "original sin" in the writings of St. Augustine.
    "Writings of St Augustine" Is that where babies need to have water sprinkled on their head by a priest or they are doomed to eternal damnation?

    So, before St. Augustine's epiphany, all infants and children that died are relegated to Hell's fire? Nope...I am not onboard with that doctrine at all.
    I lean more towards the Lord Jesus's doctrine...

    Luke 18:16-17 KJV

    16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
    17 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

    It appears to me that the Lord looks favorably on little children

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    Do you believe our current political polarization is spiritual?

    By and large yes - it was foretold. Religion must be broken.
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    Will Rogers 1879 - 1935:
    The problem ain't what people know. It's what people know that ain't so that's the problem.
    Everybody is ignorant. Only on different subjects.
    There are three kinds of men. The ones that learn by readin’. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrounge View Post
    It could be the first signs of Tribulation. Or not. When I was ten, I got a new stepfather who was convinced that Armageddon was very nearly upon us. I'm 65 now. As far as I can tell, things are worse now than they were then, ...
    Life will continue to get worse - MUCH worse.

    The battle of Armageddon occurs during the last half of the 7 years of Tribulation. The trigger for the beginning of the Tribulation years is when Israel signs a peace treaty with the Antichrist's united world government; you know, a one-world government like what our current united socialist Democrats seek, but there will be no peace for Israel or anyone else. At that time, no one will have to ask, "Are we in the Tribulation?"; everyone, believer or not, will KNOW when that level of world agony begins.

    The demonic Antichrist spirit is accelerating all around us and what we see today clearly fits into God's normal foreshadowing of His still unfurling prophetic events.


    Important Side note:

    Augustine was a very smart guy. It wasn't him who decided that infants who die without a sanctioned Roman Catholic Church "baptism" would go to hell, it was one of the RCC's much later "infallible" popes.

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    What we see is cultural evolution that occurs over time. An example is how society changed from 1880 to 1950. Then look at changes between 1950 to 2020. Influence of internet and media plus input from some religious groups and education have speeded up the process. I am a retired teacher and corrections man. Do you wish to know what your kids think and what they are doing? Then look at their friends. Believe me when I say parents are the last to know.

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    "“Judge[a] not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what [b]judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye."

    Careful everyone (myself included).

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    Hicks is spot on, "far left young people from the 60's. who did not go into business jobs, ended up in education and became tenured professors. We have seen this with our grandchildren. They start out conservative, go off to college and take required classes in things like political science and swing way left-- then as they age and have to start paying the bills some, but not all, go conservative again."

    I am proud to say I got my two boys through college and they have remained true to our conservative values. Both have ended up with good jobs and are happy in pursuit of the American dream.

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    The polarization of America is indeed the fruit of a neglectful church. We've been extremely lax in learning and teaching each other, and especially in the "WHYs" of why the Lord's direction and instruction and advice are spot-on, and really, the only way to proceed forth and build something good and strong and worth the effort. We LIKE talking about the sins of others, but when it comes to discussing our OWN shortcomings and incompleteness ...... well, we just don't seem very interested in that. That old comment "At least I'm not like HIM!" seems to be all we care to know about our own faults. What a sham and disgrace we are!!!

    This isn't some parlor game or video game we're playing! It's real life, and we're playing for forever! And if we DON'T find our faults and shore them up significantly, .... well, I'm afraid we're going to earn what lies ahead. We've been warned many times, but have tuned our heads toward other things that have "interested" and "satisfied" us more.

    We will NOT get another chance at this. This is our one and only chance to grab our own destiny or fall into the pit. The choice we make is forever.

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    "Our struggle is not against flesh and blood but against (Satanic) principalities, powers, against the rulers of darkness, against spiritual wickedness in high places ...." (Eph 6:12)

    Anyone thinking there is no spiritual battle going on in our capitals simply because we can't see it in this physical world isn't paying attention.

    I believe mankind is limited in the potential for doing either good or evil. To be better than we can be requires the aid of the Holy Spirit within us; to be even more evil than we can be requires a mass of indwelling Satanic spirits.

    A single example of massive evil: Some 80 million babies have been legally murdered by "doctors" in this country, often with public money and always with unified Democrat help; that's Satanic.

    With that example (and many others equally evil) it's obvious to me that we have many demonic controlled politicians. Not all of them are Democrats of course, after all, Satan is an equal opportunity corrupter and RINOS are fully as evil as the others, but it appears to me that all modern Democrats are controlled by Satan to some major degree. IMHO of course.

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    1hole, good post I agree with it.

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    No I believe it is caused by politicians /teachers , 2 maybe 3 generations indoctrinated (not educated) has got us here . I don"t believe for a minute religion got us to this place , no more than it got hitler to power ! It got here because of sheep needing direction and feeling others /me to need direction and my money to give to the needy cause it makes them feel good ! When you vote to open borders/defund police and make social workers the replacement the end is coming ,just ask any survivor of socialism . And the lack of primers is a indicater/Ed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edward View Post
    .... I don"t believe for a minute religion got us to this place , no more than it got hitler to power ! It got here because of sheep needing direction and feeling others /me to need direction and my money to give to the needy cause it makes them feel good ! When you vote to open borders/defund police and make social workers the replacement the end is coming ,just ask any survivor of socialism . And the lack of primers is a indicater/Ed
    I fully agree. It wasn't "religion", as such, and certainly not Christianity, that got us here, it was Satan's effective lures to pull gullible men into his spiritual orb that got us here.

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    I would have to say that it's not what the church did, it's what it hasn't done. How many of us (and this question is directed at me as much as anyone else) have maintained a walk and outreach that has kept the church in america alive. Like most conservatives, I get wrapped up in taking care of business and don't give enough thought to taking care of God's business. It is appalling to me to hear the number of young and middle aged adult who have never heard the most basic of Bible story or teaching.... these are our children, our children's children, and their friends. If they've not been taught, it's because we aren't teaching.

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    I think M-Tecs is the most complete and through explanation I've ever read or heard. First rate material from the start to the last. Thanks for the food for thought.

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    I do not believe we are as polarized as Nightly News is preaching.
    Millions of people are carrying concealed these days
    legally or not
    and we don't seem to be shooting each other very often.
    The Nightly News sells advertising when we watch a tragedy.
    "If it bleeds, it leads".
    I believe Americans are much more moral than expected.
    Waiting for revival.
    Here's your choice.
    Come to church tomorrow night at six.
    Or watch their commercials.
    What has the NFL done for you lately?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho45guy View Post
    I'm no Bible scholar in any shape or form, but the massive political divide in our country seems to be the result of some sort of supernatural "hardening of hearts".

    Every interaction I've had with people on the left has shown them to be completely incapable of rational thought or common sense. No matter what facts, science, or evidence you thoughtfully confront them with, they ignore it. My own daughter, who is the niece of a police detective and the granddaughter of a Chief of Police, both honorable and righteous men, has stated on social media that ALL cops are bad.

    How can a young woman, who grew up in a law enforcement family, with conservative Christian parents, suddenly reject her upbringing and own personal experiences and instead embrace the insidious lies of the left?

    I am truly at a loss to explain how so many people appear to be completely brainwashed in such a short amount of time.

    I truly believe we are in a struggle against evil and the massive polarization in this country is supernatural in origin.
    yes. Satan is most assuredly whispering in the ears of the "liberals".

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    I think shouting in the ears of the "liberals" may be closer to what is happing.

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    I believe we have a ballot stuffing minority achieving their agenda.
    Satan has only one lie, and it works his plan
    "Did God really say...?"

    What is a Liberal? You throw the word as perjorative,
    they do not think themselves evil, but progressive.
    How to tell them progressive is evil?
    Trump did us a disservice by tweeting garbage.
    Twitter was his downfall: pride goes before a fall.

    I do not see any hope for America except revival.

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    More than revival, a Great Awakening and national Repentance.

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