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    Neither of my kids went to college and both have swung very far left. It isn't just the education system that is brainwashing kids, and isn't just the constant exposure to leftist ideals that is turning people left, either. I watch a ton of shows on Netflix and Amazon that have very leftist propaganda in them. I can sniff out the propaganda immediately while my conservative girlfriend won't notice it. But I'm not turning leftist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hick View Post
    50 years ago, people with extreme views tended to get shut down by those in their community that were more rational. The reason was that people with extreme views were in a minority and had no support. Today, Thanks to the internet and media, anyone with an extreme view can find someone who will say that they are thinking and tell them they are right. This reinforces those extreme views and creates the split in society. This is something religion has not been able to address-- and I'm not sure how it can in today's environment.
    This brings up an interesting question/observation...

    It is the left that has gotten extreme.

    People say we are increasingly polarized and both sides are more extreme, but I only see the left as getting more extreme.

    50 years ago, how many Republicans do you think would have supported civil rights for LGBTQ folks? I would imagine single-digits, if any. It wasn't even a question to ask 50 years ago. Today, 71 percent of REPUBLICANS support it.

    So, it seems that while the Right has actually been getting less extreme and is now about the same as the Left was 50 years ago, the Left has become so incredibly extreme that they are openly calling for socialism and Marxism in America.
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    Read Johnathan Cahn the Harbinger.

    I believe that because so many in this country have turned away from GOD and all he believes in. He has in turned removed the blessings originally placed on this country.

    This started in 9, 11, 2001 btw.

    The answer is simple. The people of this land must fall on their knees and truly repent. They must make getting to the next world their prime focus. And that is simple, Only through Jesus the Christ.

    They must accept him, reject their old life, be prepared to SERVE. Work at the will of the master.

    As that happens the blessings can be restored. And this country, refurbished, can once again be a great light on a hill to the world.

    But we can not get there until the majority repent and turn away from this life.

    So, be prepared for trials, they will be many, the Lord can show you the way through. The way will be long and hard.

    Rejoice in the Lord, keep your faith, teach your family. Praise the Lord for all the blessings in your life.
    It was three things that made America great.
    It was God, guns, and guts. 3 things twice actually. We need to get back to our roots.

    Back to those 3 and the other big 3. The Declaration of Independence,
    The Constitution, and the Bill of Rights.

    Get GOD back in our lives and our country, find the courage of our convictions, or guts, and a willingness to stand up and fight for what we believe in. Guns.
    The other big 3 are our road map.

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    Read Johnathan Cahn the Harbinger. There is a Harbinger 2 and a Harbinger 2 uncensored DVD it gives a lot more info than the Harbinger 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho45guy View Post
    This brings up an interesting question/observation...

    It is the left that has gotten extreme.

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    Interesting point
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    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12 (KJV)
    "There is not a single instance in history in which civil liberty was lost, and religious liberty preserved entire. If therefore we yield up our temporal property, we at the same time deliver the conscience into bondage." --John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men. 1776

    "The words of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times." Psalm 12:6 (E.S.V.)

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    I have lots of opinions.
    When I need Truth I get
    out the owner's manual:

    2 Chronicles 7

    12And the LORD appeared to Solomon by night, and said unto him, I have heard thy prayer, and have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice. 13If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people; 14If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. 15Now mine eyes shall be open, and mine ears attent unto the prayer that is made in this place.

    Amen.

    America made a covenant with God.
    We were founded to be free.
    Free to burn cities? No!
    If it feels good, do it? No!
    Free to serve God anyway we choose.
    Choose well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .429&H110 View Post
    This election will be 50/50
    the dead voters will decide it.
    Or you will.
    Dems have a solid block of mind-numbed, knuckle dragging people (about 35% of our public) who know nothing but what they hear on fake news TV day by day and reliably vote accordingly. Then, in my 80 years of observation, Democrats have a near total lock on dead, illegal, made-up and multiple opportunity voters. Even with that dependable built-in edge, there's a limit to what cheating can accomplish so they don't always win.

    I do pray that our people will get out and vote at the polls.

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    Politics does not belong here.

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    The pen is mightier than the sword - Edward Bulwer-Lytton

    The tongue is mightier than the blade - Euripides

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    politics
    [ˈpäləˌtiks]
    NOUN
    the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.
    "Luck don't live out here. Wolves don't kill the unlucky deer; they kill the weak ones..." Jeremy Renner in Wind River

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    It’s a very sad state we find ourselves in, I to have a daughter with very similar beliefs from the same back ground you described. I’m at a loss , I blame it on liberal professors . I always felt there had to be more to it , I think you have shed some light on what I’ve been thinking. Thank you for your insight.
    Keep your powder dry and watch your six !!

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    George Washington consecrating America was not political. It was what our first President believed and put his neck on the gallows for: No King, no pope, certain inalienable rights. The Brits would have cheerfully hung him. America was born in sin, whiskey tax, slavery, and all those natives shooting back. We have learned somewhat since. But we have forgotten what freedom is. We have forgotten the covenant and the owner's manual.

    I highly recommend
    "The Coming Fury" by Bruce Catton
    written 100 years after the Civil War
    details how the Democrats started
    a war that killed a million people.
    With muskets.

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    Left-Wing Ideology: A Cult, a Religion, or Science?
    By Gary Gindler
    More than a hundred years ago, prominent Marxist Antonio Gramsci wrote: "Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. [Socialism is] religion in the sense that it too is a faith with its mystics and rituals; religion because it has substituted for the consciousness of the transcendental God of the Catholics, the faith in man and in his great strengths as a unique spiritual reality" [1]. Equalizing an ideology with religion was pretty novel back then. However, Gramsci was talking about religion not as it is commonly understood — i.e., the relationship between God and men — but as a collection of religious attributes and rituals. In his point of view, socialism was godless religion, the cult of the messianic Marx.

    At the same time, Gramsci understood that socialism (and leftism in general), like any other dogma, is immune to empirical, rational challenges because, by definition, its postulates are untestable — untestable not because it is impossible to conduct such tests, but because followers of leftist ideology reject any idea of such a test in principle. (By the way, this is something leftists have in common with Muslims.) They are mostly true believers; they aggressively reject any attempts to test the foundations of their dogmatic beliefs.

    Leftists' behavior is utterly illogical to a degree one might call unscientific. Their irrationality is based on illusory knowledge — i.e., knowledge acquired through a system of beliefs, expressed by well known authorities (Marx, Engels, Lenin, Bernstein, Stalin, Hitler, Trotsky, Mao, and many others). Left-wingers acquired their false, Utopian beliefs throughout the entire history of human civilization. Their undisputed belief of multiplying wealth by dividing it (i.e., by redistributing it by force) was the basis of numerous failed social experiments.

    To avoid any confusion, let us provide adequate definitions of socialism (promoted by left-wing ideology) and its antithesis, capitalism (promoted by the free-market, or conservative, ideology).

    Socialism is a state of society where most wealth, either de jure or de facto, belongs to a government.

    Capitalism is a state of society where most wealth, both de jure and de facto, belongs to its citizens.

    Communism is a Utopian state of society where all wealth, both de jure and de facto, belongs to a government.

    The adherents of both left-wing and right-wing philosophy have knowledge; however, the left-wingers got their knowledge from the system of beliefs, while right-wingers got their knowledge from the trial-and-error development of human civilization. Leftism will accompany society forever because pseudo-science always runs in parallel to science. As in a social life where leftism is the ideology of mostly lumpen (lazy bums), autocrats, and elites, the pseudo-science feeds on real science as left-wingers feed on civilization built mostly by right-wingers.

    There is a simple test to distinguish between scientific knowledge and the pseudo-scientific kind. The test is based on the fact that the human reaction to new information that contradicts the original knowledge depends on the method of acquiring that original knowledge.

    In the real world, if new information contradicts the original knowledge, it leads to a re-evaluation of such knowledge. For example, when intuitive, widely accepted, and wrong knowledge that the sun rotates around the Earth was challenged by Copernicus, it led to a painful re-evaluation of the original idea and accepting the new, revolutionary one: that it is, in fact, Earth that rotates around the sun.

    However, if the original knowledge is acquired by religious or other dogmatic beliefs, the new information does not lead to such re-evaluation. On the contrary, in most cases, it leads to the strengthening of the original belief. For example, even if it were proven that flying horses never existed on the planet Earth, Muslims will continue to believe that Mohammad flew on a horse named Buraq to an outer space where he met Allah. Moreover, any attempt to prove to any Muslim that such a voyage on a horse is impossible will not just strengthen Muslim's beliefs, but could convert some of them from a passive, indifferent follower into an aggressive religious fanatic. The reaction would be similar to the reaction of a rank-and-file Democrat if somebody mentioned that Antifa, like the Ku Klux Klan before it, was founded as a militant wing of the Democratic Party.

    When President Trump tweets or says something "controversial," a lot of his political opponents get triggered. This "triggering of snowflakes" is a perfect example of how the strengthening of the original belief manifests itself in real life. There are numerous examples of such triggering. If we are talking about Trump, it is called Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    Let us recall the reaction of people who were bombarded for months by the fake news media with reports that Hillary Clinton had a 97% chance of winning the presidency in the year 2016. The reality contradicted their dogma, and after she lost, their suffering (sometimes even physical suffering) was quite real. Or big disappointment and suffering among devotees of "Trump is Putin's marionette" dogma when Mueller's investigation proved otherwise. The attempts to paint the completed Mueller investigation as "obstructed," "not conclusive," and "not having enough authority," and the promise that "veterans of the secret wars ... understand that it will take decades, not years, for the truth to emerge here," are just variations of the same phenomena — the various (and desperate) attempts to strengthen the original dogmatic belief.

    If the knowledge of people in the examples above were based not on dogma, their reaction could be quite different. For example, political opponents of Trump could just say: "OK, the better candidate won. It is good for America to have a better president. We will try again next time." That would be the proper reaction of the non-brainwashed, normal people who happened to vote for another candidate. In the case of Russiagate (or, rather, Obamagate), the proper reaction could be: "OK, this is very good that our president is not Putin's puppet. It will allow the White House to focus on the real issues of our country."

    It is often said that left-wingers and right-wingers do not understand each other because they "live in parallel universes," or one side blames another for living in the so-called "alternative reality." Since core leftist belief is irrational, the right-wingers are not surprised when adherents of leftism stiffen their resolve when confronted with social and economic truth.

    In other words, instead of accepting a valid argument that contradicts the prevailing dogma, the very first reaction of adherents of a dogma is to protect the dogma at all cost.

    Try to tell Jews that they are not the God's chosen people, or try to tell Democrats that socialism, national socialism, and fascism are examples of the same left-wing ideology. Try to tell Christians that Jesus died and was buried in Nazareth, or try to tell the party of farting cows that "climate change" is a hoax. The resulting rage will ensure that polarization between talking parties increases due to not just rejection of non-dogma-conforming thought, but the violent strengthening of internal resolve to protect the dogma. It is a well- known psychological reaction of people who simply want to protect themselves from what they perceive as "the rape of their mind" (whatever sick mind they might have.)

    On the one hand, once a person accepts a dogma, he begins to filter out everything that contradicts the dogma in any way (so-called confirmation bias, like Baader-Meinhof Syndrome). In a process, as more contradictory, non-conforming to dogma information is thrown, the belief gets strengthened. On the other hand, at a certain point, when truthful information, contradictory to leftists' irrational dogmatic belief, finally breaks through, a breaking point arrives, and the leftist is no longer able to twist the evidence in his fevered mind, forcing him to make a hard decision: either abandon the dogma and relieve the pain or become a laughingstock. They experience a mental revolution — a micro-revolution, if you will.

    The good news is that such micro-revolutions on a personal level are widespread. Indeed, where did all the hippies go? Also recall the fallout from Obama's "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor."

    The bad news is that such micro-revolutions can take a long time; in a worst-case scenario, a micro-revolution never materializes, and a person dies as a true believer, a loyal "useful idiot." (Enter Democrat Stacey Abrams, who still believes she won the governorship race in Georgia despite losing it.)

    On the surface, a cacophony of various points of view we hear from Democrats sounds like a civil war inside the left-wing party. For example, the confrontation between Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez resembles a political struggle between the "experienced, moderate socialist" Pelosi and "young, aggressive Marxist" Ocasio-Cortez. However, it is just an incoherent manifestation that Pelosi and Ocasio-Cortez currently adhere to different stages of the same leftist dogma.

    In practical terms, it means that the leftists are here to stay. Forever. Just because their knowledge is acquired through dogma. As historian Lee Edwards noted, socialism is "a pseudo-religion grounded in pseudo-science and enforced by political tyranny."

    Right-wingers, the creators and multipliers of wealth, are condemned to an agitated coexistence with left-wingers, the dividers of wealth, forever, just as Good is continually confronted by Evil.

    As followers of the semi-religious Cult of Victim-Seekers, leftists will always find a way to recruit new followers, who get tricked by the "take away and redistribute" mantra. However, there are plenty of solid reasons to consider the socialist Obama presidency the highest peak of the centuries-old semi-religious Utopian movement. This peak is well behind us, and we all know that the only direction from the peak is down.

    [1] Gramsci's Political Thought: Hegemony, Consciousness, and the Revolutionary Process (NewYork: Clarendon Press, 1981)

    Gary Gindler, Ph.D. is a conservative blogger at Gary Gindler
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    +1 on the book: Harbinger:
    tells this better than I can. Isaiah 9/11
    2nd paragraph of Washington's
    1st inaugural, NYC
    in the shadow of ground zero:

    Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station; it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official Act, my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the Universe, who presides in the Councils of Nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that his benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the People of the United States, a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes: and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success, the functions allotted to his charge. In tendering this homage to the Great Author of every public and private good I assure myself that it expresses your sentiments not less than my own; nor those of my fellow-citizens at large, less than either. No People can be bound to acknowledge and adore the invisible hand, which conducts the Affairs of men more than the People of the United States. Every step, by which they have advanced to the character of an independent nation, seems to have been distinguished by some token of providential agency. And in the important revolution just accomplished in the system of their United Government, the tranquil deliberations and voluntary consent of so many distinct communities, from which the event has resulted, cannot be compared with the means by which most Governments have been established, without some return of pious gratitude along with an humble anticipation of the future blessings which the past seem to presage. These reflections, arising out of the present crisis, have forced themselves too strongly on my mind to be suppressed. You will join with me I trust in thinking, that there are none under the influence of which, the proceedings of a new and free Government can more auspiciously commence.

    Consecrated. God does not forget.
    First GW prayed, and after, he prayed.
    We must, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...r_science.html

    The adherents of both left-wing and right-wing philosophy have knowledge; however, the left-wingers got their knowledge from the system of beliefs, while right-wingers got their knowledge from the trial-and-error development of human civilization. Leftism will accompany society forever because pseudo-science always runs in parallel to science. As in a social life where leftism is the ideology of mostly lumpen (lazy bums), autocrats, and elites, the pseudo-science feeds on real science as left-wingers feed on civilization built mostly by right-wingers.
    From one blue suiter to another M tex, you hit the nails exactly where they are.

    Given the religion of today's stateists/progressives/leftists and their general degradation of modern society, we cannot fairly avoid mention of those people's priests, i.e., Democrats, as an example of the spirit of antichrist.

    The religion of the "left" is based on their own delusions of how to reach a utopian society. And they do it with a worship of the state as if their politicians were angels of the Great White Father, seated in his heaven on earth in the District of Columbia.

    Right-wingers, the creators and multipliers of wealth, are condemned to an agitated coexistence with left-wingers, the dividers of wealth, forever, just as Good is continually confronted by Evil.
    Socialism has failed every time it's been tried, starting with the colony at Plymouth Rock. But, the emotional (& lazy) attraction of socialism as the controlling provider and protector remains strong because it promises everything the weak seek and hopeful tyrants crave.

    The religion of Socialism continues to override facts and common sense for the weak but Christians will never bow to leftist politicians so the fight is on.

    God bless the USA!

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    When I worked in media for 30 years (technical) - and knew many of the news reporters, I must say that not only did they try hard to be unbiased, they seemed very worried about being accused of bias. Our founders correctly realized that freedom of the press was essential to prevent government from going crazy. When 8 of 10 media outlets are reporting similar stories, they're probably right.

    I believe that most of today's political problems are due to extremists on both sides having disproportionate influence. I have voted for both republican and democrat candidates. We need more moderates on both sides. John McCain comes to mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trebleplink View Post
    When I worked in media for 30 years (technical) - and knew many of the news reporters, I must say that not only did they try hard to be unbiased, they seemed very worried about being accused of bias. Our founders correctly realized that freedom of the press was essential to prevent government from going crazy. When 8 of 10 media outlets are reporting similar stories, they're probably right.

    I believe that most of today's political problems are due to extremists on both sides having disproportionate influence. I have voted for both republican and democrat candidates. We need more moderates on both sides. John McCain comes to mind.

    I would like to say a lot has change in 30 years but it has not.

    Throughout world history journalism has not had a great track record.
    https://www.universalclass.com/artic...ef-history.htm

    Do a little research on Yellow Journalism under Randolph Hearst.
    https://williamrandolphhearstbio.wee...ournalism.html

    Same for Walter Cronkite
    https://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-t...lter-cronkite/

    Same for Dan Rather
    https://www.fieldandstream.com/pages...tumn%E2%80%9D/
    https://www.theamericanmirror.com/bl...rns-fake-news/
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-ous...ry-10-01-2005/

    Same for Brian Williams
    https://www.gulflive.com/news/2015/0...rmanent%20spot.

    Not one of of NBC finest moments
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...335-story.html

    Same for Reporter Shows an AR-15 Shooting a Watermelon; One BIG Problem
    https://thefederalistpapers.org/seco...ing-watermelon

    Same for today MSM
    https://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/...ican-republic/

    Same for the MSM pushing the Russian hoax Bull for years

    I could literally go on with thousands of examples but it this isn't enough thousands more won't help.

    As to Song Bird a coworker was one of his crew chiefs on the USS Forrestal. Song bird was not a nice person as a young man and he did not improve with age.
    Last edited by M-Tecs; 09-27-2020 at 04:28 PM.
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    I am absolutely convinced that there is a spiritual aspect to what is going on today. Evil abounds and is clearly seen on the left.

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    Often the naysayers naysay, but when asked if they have a better solution, silence prevails. Would it be better if the government, or the church controlled all the media? Iran is like that...



    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    I would like to say a lot has change in 30 years but it has not.

    Throughout world history journalism has not had a great track record.
    https://www.universalclass.com/artic...ef-history.htm

    Do a little research on Yellow Journalism under Randolph Hearst.
    https://williamrandolphhearstbio.wee...ournalism.html

    Same for Walter Cronkite
    https://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-t...lter-cronkite/

    Same for Dan Rather
    https://www.fieldandstream.com/pages...tumn%E2%80%9D/
    https://www.theamericanmirror.com/bl...rns-fake-news/
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-ous...ry-10-01-2005/

    Same for Brian Williams
    https://www.gulflive.com/news/2015/0...rmanent%20spot.

    Not one of of NBC finest moments
    https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...335-story.html

    Same for Reporter Shows an AR-15 Shooting a Watermelon; One BIG Problem
    https://thefederalistpapers.org/seco...ing-watermelon

    Same for today MSM
    https://dbdailyupdate.com/index.php/...ican-republic/

    Same for the MSM pushing the Russian hoax Bull for years

    I could literally go on with thousands of examples but it this isn't enough thousands more won't help.

    As to Song Bird a coworker was one of his crew chiefs on the USS Forrestal. Song bird was not a nice person as a young man and he did not improve with age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trebleplink View Post
    Often the naysayers naysay, but when asked if they have a better solution, silence prevails. Would it be better if the government, or the church controlled all the media? Iran is like that...
    Wow that's out of left field. As to the solution that easy. Journalists Use Words Like 'Claimed' and 'Alleged' for a reason. It gives them additional protection from libel laws. Seems like a good idea but the reality is it's just a license to lie via "unnamed source"

    https://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_li...n%20%281964%29.
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