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Thread: Milkweed fleece as Case Filler

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    Sherman Bell in the Double Gun and Single Shot Journal did yeoman's work on fillers. I believe it would behoove anyone with an interest in fillers to access his work.
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    I just fill my cases partway with powder than the rest of the way with lead
    If i want less recoil i find smaller cases and use smaller bullets in those smaller cases
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    I have to agree with Lyman on dacron filler and drugs, JUST SAY NO!
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    Interesting to learn that ANY part of the milkweed plant has value. Besides being a haven for the ecologically important Monarch butterfly, I always thought the plant was of little or no value.
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    There is a type of puffed packing peanuts that dissolves in water.
    The package I received today had them inside. These packing peanuts are approximately 20mm dia by 35mm long. I could roll one between my palms to reduce its diameter to fit a sample 45-70 case I have.
    Maybe this type of biodegradable packing peanut would work as a filler to keep powder pressed to the primer?

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    Not trying to be the forum police but how come this question is being asked in the BP section since it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with black powder? Inquiring minds want to know! (smile)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave T View Post
    Not trying to be the forum police but how come this question is being asked in the BP section since it doesn't seem to have much of anything to do with black powder? Inquiring minds want to know! (smile)

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    u r right he was talkin detune a 450/577 (understandable - those things can get your attention) with smokeless ............nobody suggested Fg black, or even cannon grade - that will help some

    packing peanuts - if they dissolve in water they be the ones made from some kinda cornstarch or the like

    Dacron melts when flame is applied and it gets hot - get it enough more hotter - it burns - still gonna leave some residue - so will anything else that burns - cotton - kapok whatever -- the nature of the residue is the question - seems like we have a couple different answers to that - if the protagonists would lose the urge to be right and consider what is going on they proly end up agreeing (fat chance of that my granny would say)

    heres another head scratcher - roundball shooters are universally urged to NOT use any fabric with a synthetic component for patches because "it will melt in the barrel - but natural fibres burn" ...... sooooo after our shoots out we go like a mob of emus picking up our shot patches to examine them for damage - the ultimate being patches in good enough shape (not torn up or burnt) that we could actually recycle them - use em again for another shot ???????
    Begs the question has anybody even tried using polyester/cotton cloth for patches ???? and what was the result??

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    I also use drier lint, it works, but the smell of burning cat hair is terrible!

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    The .577/450 LOC load uses kapok with black powder and a paper patched lead bullet. A full capacity load with black powder would be brutal.

    But he did mention smokeless also.

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    Thats why I only use lint from the towels, seem almost no cat hair in it. And I got 4 cats!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozark mike View Post
    I just fill my cases partway with powder than the rest of the way with lead
    If i want less recoil i find smaller cases and use smaller bullets in those smaller cases
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    All this foolishness stuffing filler in a case to reduce the recoil is looking for a grenade down the line.
    I have personally seen the results what can happen and one was standing next to me 20' away when the barrel flew in the air with pieces all over the ground and the person ended up in the Hospital.

    Fooling around with a large capacity case like the 577/450 Martini with smokeless is crazy. Load that round with black powder up to the base of the bullet you might keep your rifle and body parts intact if it's a serviceable rifle in good shape.

    A .22 rimfire is a good low recoiling round and fun to shoot.
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    for smokeless loads, use no fillers - ask the quigley crew why. this is where aa5744 is used (sr4759 long gone off the shelves).

    for "reduced black powder loads", i want solid wads, not compressible fluff.


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    I have always used dried oatmeal baby food as a filler. Any downside?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tmacmi View Post
    I have always used dried oatmeal baby food as a filler. Any downside?
    Your kid goes hungry?




    Have any of you tried Circle Fly fiber shotgun wads? They are made for .410 which would work well in .45s for sure. They are 1/2" thick and easily divided to shorter lengths. Cheap, totally organic, possibly a little flammable.

    I keep meaning to try them but never have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lead pot View Post
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    All this foolishness stuffing filler in a case to reduce the recoil is looking for a grenade down the line.
    I have personally seen the results what can happen and one was standing next to me 20' away when the barrel flew in the air with pieces all over the ground and the person ended up in the Hospital.

    Fooling around with a large capacity case like the 577/450 Martini with smokeless is crazy. Load that round with black powder up to the base of the bullet you might keep your rifle and body parts intact if it's a serviceable rifle in good shape.

    A .22 rimfire is a good low recoiling round and fun to shoot.
    I've been loading my MH with 85 Grains of 1F and using carded wool as filler, it seems some are using cotton as well. I imagine the MH case will hold about 130 grains of powder to the case neck which would make a pretty unpleasant load to shoot. If you want to use a reduced load of BP just add more wool or cotton. I Haven't loaded smokeless in my MH but smokeless ammunition was factory produced in WW I for MH rifles & machine guns to bust balloons. clearly it can be done safely it just takes extra care. I'd bet everyone of these Sharps or other style BP rifle disasters are due to a stacked charge or the wrong powder being used.

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    Didn’t the US Army de-tune the 45-70 Gov’t by inserting a hollow cardboard sleeve into the cartridge case to reduce the internal volume. Powder was poured into the central hole in the sleeve. Then bullet base was inserted till it bumped against the cardboard (I think not sure)
    The height and thickness of the cardboard sleeve was tuned to the desired powder charge.

    Maybe rolling a homemade sleeve with some printer paper or Bristol board and glue into a simple sleeve. It might work for smokeless powder like it did for BP. You might even get a few shots out of a sleeved case before it needed re-sleeving.

    I think the ctg’s should be loaded with 2F BP to their full power standard.
    You don’t have to shoot a great many shots, just a few maybe 10 shots. Then switch to a much lighter recoiling firearm to continue your days enjoyment at the range.
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    That seems like a lot of work, even for back then, when men were men.

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    Years ago I used Grits as a filler as it was recommended. I never see it recommended anymore is it not advised to use it now for some reason???

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    For the .303 round they loaded the cordite strands and then necked the case. I think in the 450 the same thing was done with a cardboard filler just as the 45-70. The cartridge was then necked and loaded.
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