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    Quote Originally Posted by 1hole View Post
    ??? Are you feeling lucky; you aren't God and you have no grounds to say what He does is wrong so isn't "trusting in your own beliefs" the ultimate in blind faith?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flyingmonkey35 View Post
    Tim

    I was agreeing with your point.

    I just dont aee the bible as proof of anything.

    I belive in the bible just as much as homers oddsy. And greek mytholgy.

    The chatholic church did a fantastic job of coopting pagan holidays and festavials as thier own.

    Christmass had nothing to do with jesus brith.

    It was a celeberation of midwinter.

    Easter was the spring festival.

    Its all about controll



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    Yeah, I know, sorry you misunderstood my post I was agreeing with you too. I did not mean to criticize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselhorses View Post
    Like I said, do you feel lucky? The Bible is the word of God because God inspired scholars, theologians and apostles to put it together. People doubt it's credibility but then they'll read the daily paper and believe it first before they believe the "good book". Folks believe in the stock market, take stock in the farmers almanac, believe the weather forecaster, etc. Kids wholeheartedly believe in that nickel or quarter they used to get when they lost a tooth and put under pillow. Every time you sit down in a chair you involuntarily have 'Faith" that it's going to hold you up. So why is it so cynical or a travesty to believe that "born again" Christians will have eternal life in Heaven and those who refuse to believe will be cast into the lake of fire? Don't get me wrong, I just don't "believe" because I don't want to take the risk, I believe in God and the cross Jesus died on AND His resurrection because I took a step of faith and was totally transformed into something I don't regret to this day! God has done some big time, fancy work in my life that otherwise wouldn't have happened without Him! After knowing God, things start coming together in a 'spiritual sense" and not secular. God has His own timing and DOES work in mysterious ways. Some people don't want to take that step of faith because they fear it's a "cult" and they won't be able to turn back. At any rate, God doesn't love you any less than anyone else! But there is a requirement to spend eternity in the "by and by", and that's simply to give our life to Jesus and ask Him into our heart. Jesus paid the ultimate price when He suffered and died for all humanity. It's the only hope we have to escape the "doom and gloom" of an ever so close destruction of this world.

    Just say the following...

    Dear God in heaven, I come to you in the name of Jesus. I acknowledge to You that I am a sinner, and I am sorry for my sins and the life that I have lived; I need your forgiveness.

    I believe that your only begotten Son Jesus Christ shed His precious blood on the cross at Calvary and died for my sins, and I am now willing to turn from my sin.

    You said in the bible that if we confess the Lord our God and believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, we shall be saved.

    Right now I confess Jesus as my Lord. With my heart, I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead. This very moment I accept Jesus Christ as my own personal Savior and according to His Word, right now I am saved. Amen.
    "The Bible is the word of God because God inspired scholars, theologians and apostles to put it together."

    Than I agree with because God is the creator of all things but in this the Bible is not alone many other valuable books have been inspired by God. Just because God inspired something does not mean it is true just that it is valuable.

    "they'll read the daily paper and believe it first before they believe the "good book". Folks believe in the stock market, take stock in the farmers almanac, believe the weather forecaster, etc."

    Are you kidding me, they don't believe and trust those things, most smart people take that all with a grain of salt.

    "Every time you sit down in a chair you involuntarily have 'Faith" that it's going to hold you up."

    Most times I sit in a chair I believe it will hold me up because I can tell it is a sturdy chair, has nothing to do with "Faith." Some times I doubt the chair and will gingerly try it out. We trust chairs because they have been tested and proven good. Same with the Bible, some parts tested and some parts are proven good some are unbelievable.

    "I took a step of faith and was totally transformed into something I don't regret to this day! God has done some big time, fancy work in my life that otherwise wouldn't have happened without Him!"

    Well lucky you. Sad that you need fancy work. All credit does go to God. God is the giver of all things.

    "Just say the following..."

    Do you understand that belief by rote repetition of doctrine is a powerful form of brainwashing. Churches do it, Schools do it, the military training camps do it, terrorists camps do it, socialists do it. That does create faith, belief but it is a trap. It is not faith through understanding, it is brainwashing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a danl View Post
    tim, stop believing the things you look for in your own head......read this..Ephesians chapter 2 verse 8 "for by grace you have been saved through FAITH, and this is not YOUR own doing; it is the gift of God." verse 9 "not a result of works, so that no one may boast."....this is why i believe and what i believe.
    "stop believing the things you look for in your own head"

    You have no idea of where I have gotten my beliefs so maybe I can help you. I don't make up my beliefs. I look to God's expression of his values in his creations including but not exclusively the bibles. God shows us the way all around us. We can see what is good and what is bad. What is right and what is wrong. What works and what does not work. It is an almost certainty that ideas that are repeated in different religious texts from all around the world from different times are good ideas. Jesus repeated may of those ideas that were written before he had been born. Heaven and Hell are Abrahamic ideas not commonly believed before the establishment of the Catholic Church and the colonization of large parts of the world by Catholic European Explorers.

    If you wonder what Heaven is like look to a transcendent state in which there is neither suffering, desire, nor sense of self, and the subject is released from the effects of karma and the cycle of death and rebirth. Nirvana. Peace. We become one with God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Smale View Post
    ill let God judge me at the pearly gates. Not you. Ill pray to him to show you the path too.
    Seriously, do you believe there are pearly gates? I will pray for God to show you the path as well, I think you don't understand the true path. God will look into your heart, no need to stop by the pearly gates. I don't think God is going to be explaining his decision to you at some pearly gates. Most likely when you die you just be gone though some will become one with God. Sadly some will just haunt the world suffering with denial of obliteration or oneness with God, stuck in between. That is probably the worst hell.

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    "The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass." Revelation 21:21, NKJV.

    Always wondered if there was a verse to substantiate that "pearly gates" stuff. Ain't the internet wonderful?

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    "The words of the Lord are pure words, like silver refined in a furnace on the ground, purified seven times." Psalm 12:6 (E.S.V.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    If you wonder what Heaven is like look to a transcendent state in which there is neither suffering, desire, nor sense of self, and the subject is released from the effects of karma and the cycle of death and rebirth. Nirvana. Peace. We become one with God.

    Tim
    "Dismiss this phantasma of disease and health, sorrow and joy. Rise above it. Become the Self. Watch the show of the universe, but do not become absorbed in it. Many times I have seen my body gone from this world.

    I laugh at death.
    I am ready anytime.
    There is nothing to it.
    Eternal life is mine.

    I am the ocean of consciousness. Sometimes I become the little wave of the body, but I am never just the wave without the Ocean of God." - Paramahansa Yogananda

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    "stop believing the things you look for in your own head"

    You have no idea of where I have gotten my beliefs so maybe I can help you. I don't make up my beliefs. I look to God's expression of his values in his creations including but not exclusively the bibles. God shows us the way all around us. We can see what is good and what is bad. What is right and what is wrong. What works and what does not work. It is an almost certainty that ideas that are repeated in different religious texts from all around the world from different times are good ideas. Jesus repeated may of those ideas that were written before he had been born. Heaven and Hell are Abrahamic ideas not commonly believed before the establishment of the Catholic Church and the colonization of large parts of the world by Catholic European Explorers.

    If you wonder what Heaven is like look to a transcendent state in which there is neither suffering, desire, nor sense of self, and the subject is released from the effects of karma and the cycle of death and rebirth. Nirvana. Peace. We become one with God.

    Tim
    tim, the reason you know the difference between good and bad is because God has written his laws in your heart and you are having a hard time understanding that. you are not taking seriously the warnings of Jesus about salvation.

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    Thank you for explaining your belief system.
    I thought you might be a Me-ist.
    Worshiping your Ford as yourself.
    My mistake, I'm truely sorry.
    I cannot help evangelizing to the lost.
    If they ask.
    Glad I am you are not a Me-ist.
    Your Ford is not eternal.
    Mine went to Hell one day.
    Perished in the lake of fire...

    Oh, listing Catholic holidays,
    you forgot
    Halloween, Valentine's day,
    New Year's and Labor day.
    Halloween is Christmas
    without thank you notes.

    Sample program
    works for me:

    100 There is a God
    200 I am not God
    300 Thank You Jesus! else go to 200
    400 If you love Him, then serve Him.
    500 There is no end

    Hell is irrelevant,
    unless you choose hell.
    Choose life, joy, service!
    Where's your joy?
    EIS TON AIONA
    (aiona eye-on-eh Koine
    is eon in English)
    -forever- Heb 5:6
    and 5:11 Amen

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    Quote Originally Posted by alamogunr View Post
    "Hell is truth seen too late": Thomas Hobbes
    i never heard
    that one , it's good

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    +1 on that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by a danl View Post
    tim, the reason you know the difference between good and bad is because God has written his laws in your heart and you are having a hard time understanding that. you are not taking seriously the warnings of Jesus about salvation.
    I have no problem understanding that I have a God given conscience that informs me about good and bad, right and wrong. In informs me in ways that no written law can define. You can argue about what rules mean and laws mean but you can't argue with the feeling in your heart. Jesus has nothing to do with it. It comes right from God.

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    I believe that the Father and the Good Shephered Yeshua is a perfect judge and His Judgement on the wicked will be Hell Fire.
    1 Peter 4:18

    And “If the righteous is scarcely saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”

    2 Peter 2
    2 And many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed. 3 And in their greed they will exploit you with false words. Their condemnation from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
    Daniel 11:35 and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dtknowles View Post
    I have no problem understanding that I have a God given conscience that informs me about good and bad, right and wrong. In informs me in ways that no written law can define. You can argue about what rules mean and laws mean but you can't argue with the feeling in your heart. Jesus has nothing to do with it. It comes right from God.

    Tim
    Hate to break it to you but...

    "John 14:6-11
    Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dieselhorses View Post
    Hate to break it to you but...

    "John 14:6-11
    Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. "If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."
    The man was bragging on himself. It is only in the Bible which I have said many times has a lot in it I do not believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ickisrulz View Post
    We've already been down this road before. I know you disagree with me. But to suggest the people that have reached the conclusion I have are not honest...well, that is just ridiculous.

    Have you taken a fresh look at the idea of annihilation vs never-ending conscious torment? Or are you just operating on what you have been told from a young age?

    I studied the idea of annihilation with great apprehension. I had always believed the (modern) traditional view of hell (this was my fixed belief). But my mind was changed when I looked at all the passages.

    My view now is that the teaching of eternal torment is in direct contradiction to the Bible's teaching, contrary to the character of God and an embarrassment to the Church.

    Can you actually tell someone their kind old grandmother is being tortured for eternity in Hell because she was a non-believer? You really think God is like that?
    Romans 3
    10 as it is written:

    “None is righteous, no, not one;
    11 no one understands;
    no one seeks for God.
    12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
    no one does good,
    not even one.”

    John 12:48
    He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day.
    Daniel 11:35 and some of the wise shall stumble, so that they may be refined, purified, and made white, until the time of the end, for it still awaits the appointed time.

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    Before asking if you believe in hell, first you have to ask yourself if you believe in a supernatural God/Creator who created all things, and if you don't, then the only other choice you have for the creation is that:

    1) Matter brings itself into existence from nothingness
    2) All the properties of physics that are needed to control how matter behaves, brought themselves into existence from nothingness
    3) Matter came together from the vastness of the universe or it already was compressed into a 'dot' having all of the right components that from a violent explosion/expansion creates EXTREMELY INTRICATE planets, solar systems, etc
    4) Non-living matter has the ability to create living matter
    5) From 'goo pools, living matter 'crawled' out of it whereby eventually evolving into apes and then humans evolved from the apes....and to this day all ape-to-man missing links (transitional forms) have been proven fraudulent:
    a. After catching atheist paleontologists red handed mixing 'monkey' bones with human bones
    b. Only having literally one tooth and then GROSSLY hyping up that one single tooth into being a whole ape/man-like creature in their pictures of it
    c. Their other missing link skeleton was proven by DNA to only be an extinct species of ape.
    d. Other missing link skeletons of theirs, only having what amounts to a handful of bones and a partial skull that they hired artists to fill in the rest of the grotesquely missing skeletal structure to then resemble what their imagination thinks an ape-to-man skeleton should look like in order to keep promoting their ludicrous fairy-tale propaganda that's literally taught as fact for happening the way they claim

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