The Anti subsonic thread...

[Drm50]

Silencers, Full Auto, ect I have nothing against them. I don’t think silencers should be legal on big game animals. When younger guys usually get these things out of there system. The main thing I always wanted a silencer for was to sneak into some posted squirrel honey holes. A good suppressor on a 22. If a guy wants a suppressor do it! But admit you want to play with it don’t give flimsy stupid reasons. Myself I don’t need one mostly cause I ain’t going to pay to own one. There are a few situations they would be useful but mostly they are toys. I’m going to start making and selling quiet firecrackers, noiseless. There should be a big market for them. You can set off thousands of them and not disturb the neighbors. When you put one of these off you won’t hear it but it should put a big smile on your face. You will kind of look dumb because others won’t know why you are smiling. That’s the fun of it, the others are to stupid to know you just set off a blast equal to a pound of tnt.

[Finster101]

Silencers, Full Auto, ect I have nothing against them. I don’t think silencers should be legal on big game animals. When younger guys usually get these things out of there system. The main thing I always wanted a silencer for was to sneak into some posted squirrel honey holes. A good suppressor on a 22. If a guy wants a suppressor do it! But admit you want to play with it don’t give flimsy stupid reasons. Myself I don’t need one mostly cause I ain’t going to pay to own one. There are a few situations they would be useful but mostly they are toys. I’m going to start making and selling quiet firecrackers, noiseless. There should be a big market for them. You can set off thousands of them and not disturb the neighbors. When you put one of these off you won’t hear it but it should put a big smile on your face. You will kind of look dumb because others won’t know why you are smiling. That’s the fun of it, the others are to stupid to know you just set off a blast equal to a pound of tnt.

Quite the wise acre aren't you. I enjoy shooting my .22s without hearing protection and my .300 Blackout is quiet enough that all you hear is the action cycle. If just making a big boom gets your rocks off why even load boolits? You can accomplish the same thing with blanks. This is the kind of stupid stuff that causes us to continue to loose more rights. Just because you don't like it or want it doesn't mean no one else should have it.

If you don't want one don't buy one. Geez, how hard is that?

[Larry Gibson]

Scrounge

"You'll still need ear protection."

No you don't. I shoot my suppressed rifles with full bore jacketed loads [22 Hornet, 223 Rem and 308W] w/o hearing protection and with my hearing aids in. My hearing was lost to a lot of shooting rifles and bigger guns w/o hearing protection, explosions and a lot of riding around in very noisy military aircraft and vehicles.

Yes the ballistic crack is there but no, nada, nyet, none muzzle blast. Unless your in and enclosed area and the ballistic crack is echoes back it is relatively quiet and is going away from you fast. I've been shooting suppressed rifles for many year with thousands of rounds don't need "no stinking" video to tell me what the reality is. With sub-sonic loads they all are quieter than my 22 cal pellet rifle.

"They do not actually silence, they just reduce the sound level 30 or 40dB. That's from around 190dB.

That's all that hearing protection, even the best muffs, plugs or both, do also.

"Check out the VSO Gun Channel on Youtube, search "pillow" and find "Pillow vs Silencer: Is it a Hollywood Myth?" Watch it. You'll get a much better idea of the reality of what silencers do. He gets a subsonic 300 Blackout down to about 125dB. Pretty quiet for a gun, but not at all silent. I'd like to be able to shoot without ear protection, too. OTH, I'm the oldest male in my family not wearing hearing aides, and I'd like to keep it that way."

Suggest you get some "real world' experience with one instead of depending on video's. Might watch some hunting shows where suppressors are used on CF magnums. Not very loud at all. As mentioned, you can shoot them w/o hearing protection w/o damaging your hearing. As mentioned they are as effective as the hearing protection you're using.

[Drm50]

Quite the wise acre aren't you. I enjoy shooting my .22s without hearing protection and my .300 Blackout is quiet enough that all you hear is the action cycle. If just making a big boom gets your rocks off why even load boolits? You can accomplish the same thing with blanks. This is the kind of stupid stuff that causes us to continue to loose more rights. Just because you don't like it or want it doesn't mean no one else should have it.

What’s your point? I said other people wanting them doesn’t bother me. What other people do neither bothers me or affects me. We got by for a few hundred years without silencers so for me I can do without. Most people aren’t going to pay to have a silencer. Doesn’t matter what you screw it onto it has to be going less than 1086ft per second to work. You also have to factor in elevation above sea level and barometric pressure to be precise but that precision is not needed for this kind of work.

[dragon813gt]

I don’t think silencers should be legal on big game animals.

I’d like to hear, pun intended, your thoughts on why. I’m assuming it has something to do w/ poaching which is a ridiculous misconception.

I don’t know it is on other states. But poaching laws are very strict here. They will take your firearms, they will take your vehicle and make you broke throughout the process. You’re also going to be a felon at the end. Using a silencer would add some federal charges but do you think poachers care about this? They can easily make one out of an oil filter. The adapters are easy to find. So there is no need to go through the NFA purchase process. And like all things criminal, criminals ignore the law and do what they want.

As far as not needing heating protection. You should still use it. Time, proximity and decibel level are the determining factors. Hearing loss is possible w/ two minutes of exposure at 110 dB. Above this and you are at risk for immediate damage. The dB chart is not linear. I work around loud industrial equipment daily. I prefer to wear hearing protection as I’ve lost enough of my hearing already.

[Larry Gibson]

Aristotle seems to have it right...

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[charlie b]

Why subsonic? I like to have a plinking load for my .308. It is just pleasant to shoot and is plenty accurate for practice at 100yd. And very inexpensive. You can get a ton of trigger time with these kinds of loads.

Kinda like, why shoot a .22 rimfire at all? A plinking load for my centerfire rifle gives me the same performance as a rimfire without needing another firearm.

Suppressors. If not for all the paperwork I'd probably have one, just to make shooting more comfortable (I do not hunt).

And, yes, if shooting made no noise at all I would still enjoy it. I loved archery until my shoulder went bad.

[Scrounge]

Scrounge

"You'll still need ear protection."

No you don't. I shoot my suppressed rifles with full bore jacketed loads [22 Hornet, 223 Rem and 308W] w/o hearing protection and with my hearing aids in. My hearing was lost to a lot of shooting rifles and bigger guns w/o hearing protection, explosions and a lot of riding around in very noisy military aircraft and vehicles.

Yes the ballistic crack is there but no, nada, nyet, none muzzle blast. Unless your in and enclosed area and the ballistic crack is echoes back it is relatively quiet and is going away from you fast. I've been shooting suppressed rifles for many year with thousands of rounds don't need "no stinking" video to tell me what the reality is. With sub-sonic loads they all are quieter than my 22 cal pellet rifle.

"They do not actually silence, they just reduce the sound level 30 or 40dB. That's from around 190dB.

That's all that hearing protection, even the best muffs, plugs or both, do also.

"Check out the VSO Gun Channel on Youtube, search "pillow" and find "Pillow vs Silencer: Is it a Hollywood Myth?" Watch it. You'll get a much better idea of the reality of what silencers do. He gets a subsonic 300 Blackout down to about 125dB. Pretty quiet for a gun, but not at all silent. I'd like to be able to shoot without ear protection, too. OTH, I'm the oldest male in my family not wearing hearing aides, and I'd like to keep it that way."

Suggest you get some "real world' experience with one instead of depending on video's. Might watch some hunting shows where suppressors are used on CF magnums. Not very loud at all. As mentioned, you can shoot them w/o hearing protection w/o damaging your hearing. As mentioned they are as effective as the hearing protection you're using.

When I have a couple of hundred dollars to throw away, I'll certainly do that. Though I'd rather that NFA34 gets repealed, in which case I'll probably build my own. I'm not holding my breath waiting. I've spent enough time around jet engines, generators, explosions and gunfire, military vehicles, and loud industrial machinery, too. Don't care to make things worse.

[John McCorkle]

Many reasons but as mentioned, reduced concussion is always a plus. I love my long barreled light loads for this very reason.. less boom for my day to day plinking. I used to baulk at mild or mouse fart loads but that's nearly all I do now.

I don't own a suppressor but it absolutely makes a difference.

9mm PCC with 16 inch barrel and a linear compensator is downright pleasure to shoot ...300 BLK with mouse fart loads in bolt action is giggles and fun. All day shooting, no fatigue

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[303Guy]

At the moment I am having trouble with subsonic suppressed 22lr being too noisy! In the quiet of night and neighbors out of sight (semi-rural), I do not want those neighbors to hear me at all. Muzzle 'blast' is just a spitting sound but not silent. Tran-sonic crack is a nuisance and quite audible. Fully sub-sonic is so inaccurate I might as well use a catapult. I'm not talking about hearing preservation here, I'm talking about not disturbing neighbors. If I heard my neighbor shooting at night. I would pop over and ask to join him but you get my point.

My point is I have plenty of use for a suppressor and sub-sonic ammo. Low recoil and a good hard hit on the other end is rather satisfying.

And as Larry has pointed out - a good suppressor does not need hearing protection with full power loads.

[303Guy]

I don’t think silencers should be legal on big game animals.

Why do you think that?

I think it should be illegal to fire a firearm without a suppressor - under any circumstances (well, maybe life threatening circumstances could be made an exception).

But admit you want to play with it don’t give flimsy stupid reasons.

Oh, I want to play with them, make no mistake. Just like I want to play with my rifles (and my fishing rods). Not sure what would be considered flimsy and or stupid reasons though. The only reasons I have to give is that I want to and I don't want to wear ear muffs while hunting. I trust that would not be considered flimsy or stupid. Mind you, I have been out hunting with mates who thought I was being stupid for wearing hearing protection. Then again, I was never famous for being a conformist. I just never accepted that being like the group was more important than being able to hear.

[Hick]

Most of my rifles are old and/or old military. They are not set up for a suppressor, an even if they were it would be $ to get one. I can shoot subsonic all day long for pleasure-- and it makes ammo very inexpensive. I don't always load subsonic but I do it when I want. And-- out to 100 yards I can get just as good accuracy with open sights out of subsonic as I can with hotter loads. Its makes for hours of fun plinking. One of the drawbacks of a load a little hotter than subsonic, which you sometimes have with some cast bullets, is that funny things happen to the bullet down range when it drops from supersonic velocity to subsonic. So-- if you want the best accuracy, you either load to a high enough velocity to stay supersonic all the way to the target or load subsonic to start with. Its a choice, but there are many excellent uses for subsonic with cast bullets.

[elmacgyver0]

Why don't automobile mufflers require a $200 tax stamp and NFA registration?
It is the same thing, a unit to quiet expanding gasses.

[44Blam]

EDIT:

Well guys, I was 9 beers into a 6 pack when I decided to drop a proverbial "hand grenade in a port-o-potty"... Sorry 'bout that...

[303Guy]

Most of my rifles are old and/or old military. They are not set up for a suppressor, .....

Aah yes of course, I didn't think my comment through. But where possible, I think it a good idea to use a suppressor. I am fortunate that in my country there is no silliness with regard to suppressors but actual hearing protection beyond rifle ranges is still not overly emphasized (I think) although the awareness seems to be much improved.

[303Guy]

EDIT:

Well guys, I was 9 beers into a 6 pack when I decided to drop a proverbial "hand grenade in a port-o-potty"... Sorry 'bout that...

You do realize you just caused me to squirt a mouthful of beer all over my keyboard?

I must remember that one. I'm sure I'll find an opportunity to use it.

Both lines actually.

And anyway, it provoked some good thoughts on the issue.

[SMSgtBulldog]

I’m blessed to own property and have both a pistol and rifle range across from my garage/workshop. I can fire my .300 BO’s from inside it during the heat and humidity and all you hear is the some action noise and a steel twang down range. I’ve taught great nephews and nieces to enjoy the shooting sports with suppressed .22lr pistols and rifles without that big old scary boom to distract them from important fundamentals. I hunt our land using .300BO’s for hogs and .308 for deer but have never I poached game nor will I. What I hear most often as an objection is all the paperwork you have to do, which isn’t much more than you would do to buy any standard firearm. It’s that pesky $200 and the waiting game that throws it all into the port-o-let. I also don’t worry about the government having my info cuz after 32 years in the military, trust me, they’ve got it. I don’t like the tax, the NFA or the waiting game but man I sure do love my cans.

[444ttd]

i don't a "silencer", probably never will. i use hearing protection muffs on my range, i don't do it hunting. muzzle brakes ought to banned for use on ranges, the feds ought to tax them!!!!!

as far as "silencers" are concerned, if you have them, use them. if you don't, then don't. it doesn't bother me. i don't like the waiting game either and the $200 for each "silencer" are the fed's wet dream. i'll pay $30 for my c&r for 3 years because i like and own old rifles. my army days are behind me. i would have liked to use a "can" but they weren't popular back then.

[gnostic]

Years ago I read that much of the report/noise, is a result of the bullet breaking the sound barrier, 1100fps....

[Texas by God]

I have read that suppressors are legal in England and that their use is encouraged to reduce noise pollution but I have not verified this.

Score one for them; I believe that they call them moderators over there. I would definitely want one for prairie dogging if they don't affect the accuracy of full power ammo. Saving what's left of my hearing is the goal but ear plugs are cheap and a suppressor is not.

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