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Thread: Cigarette Papers

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    Cigarette Papers

    Hi all.

    I will start by saying i'm a newbie at paper patching. To date my paper patching experience is 3 "shootable" boolits.

    I wanted to have a go at paper patching my .358 Win. I did a bit of research among these forums and learnt enough to commit.

    I ordered a mold from Accurate Molds. It's the 35-225P which drops a .351 225gn bullet.

    I found some 60GSM tracing paper at the local craft store which mic's at .002". Some locals here (i'm in Australia) tell me to find some 50GSM "bank pads" which are acid free archival quality. I'm still looking for some of that.

    I cast some boolits and tried my hand at paper patching for the first time using the tracing paper. After 3-4 hours of trying different patch dimensions, soaking times and rolling techniques i had found the dimensions i needed and managed to produce a whole entire 2 bullets. Rolling the paper on was easy but i stuggled with the tail. Getting it to fold under and not unravel was challenging.

    After drying overnight those 2 successfully patched bullets measured .359 - .360 which is what i was hoping for.

    So here i am , a couple of days later and a friend was rolling a cigarette. I asked if i could have one of his papers. The paper measured twice the width of my required dimension and about 5/8" longer. It was also only .001" thick so i would need 4 wraps to be the right size.
    Then it occurred to me that there's a natural fold down the length of the paper so it can easily doubled. Trimming the 30(ish) degree taper brought it down the to the correct length.
    I grabbed a bullet, dunked the paper in water and tried wrapping it.

    Wow, compared to the tracing paper the cigarette paper is a dream. I went on straight. Gripped well and the tail folds under flat. It's still drying but the patched bullet is right on .360.

    So, is cigarette paper a good material for paper patching smokeless bullets? Please tell me it is.

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    That’s a good looking boolit and the patching job looks fine. If it’s coming up to .360” I’d load ten rounds and try them. I haven’t tried cigarette paper for patches mainly because tracing paper is easier to find and seems to dry tight and the tails are then easily twisted and clipped off. I am pretty sure cig. Paper has been tried but not sure of the results. Good luck with it!
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    I think cigarette paper is too thin unless you wrap it more than one revolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithnframe View Post
    I think cigarette paper is too thin unless you wrap it more than one revolution.
    Yes, that's why i folded it lengthwise, effectively doubling it so i have 4 layers when wrapped twice.

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    I wrap for BP rounds 45, 40, 38 calibers. I wrap with cole paper about .002 thick.2 wraps at bore dia so they can be loaded long, only 1/8" of the bullet is in the case.
    I also wrap dry. Ill give some techniques now

    Finding the right length of patch:
    cut a strip of paper the correct width and 6" plus length.
    wrap 3 times around bullet
    with a razor blade or xacto knife cut a nick thru all 3 layers 1/8" - 1/4" on one edge is plenty
    the distance between 2 nicks is the patch length complete and unstretched
    subtract 1/32 from this to allow for stretch and the small radius where 1 layer overlaps the edge.
    Glue this to a piece of sheet metl and cut file for template.

    Wrapping the bullet:
    I wrap dry and no tail. there is a .100 or slightly smaller dia of the base showing in the center of the base
    Wrap tight and carefully roll the fold under onto the base forming a smooth layered base.
    This base is very square releases well and is easy to do

    A patching board makes this easy and consistant.

    You want 2 wraps of paper around the bullet in a continuous length fold in half dosnt release as well and may leave a ridge at the base. Te patch should be snug and right around bullet but not stretched to tight.

    When shooting you want to see a cloud of confetti at the muzzle this is the outer wrap and then as close as possible to the muzzle ( on a calm day) you should find the under wrap with rifling engravings and the fold under intact. Finding these can tell you a lot about how the load is performing. When all is good and right the patch comes off at muzzle and bullet travels on with no distortions.

    On the patch I like an angle that gives 1/2 wrap in its length. Cant say it makes any difference but it seems more balanced

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    I have read of cigarette paper being used to patch cast. I have wrapped some .338 cast to 377 for my 375 Whelen, I used green printer paper and patched them wet, I just twist the tails and when dry I lubed and run them through a Lee sizer. I have not fired them but I can tell you the paper took some removing when dry. My understanding is that you use a bullet and paper combination that will allow you to use the fattest wrapped bullet that will chamber and let the bore do the sizing. Regards Stephen

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    Yes, as fat as will chamber and seat into an unsized neck. Of course that does not mean the cig paper patching won't work. I would think three or four wraps rather than folding double but again, one can never know until one tries them. I did try cig paper when I started patching but I don't remember the results.

    I ended up using cheap printer paper because of its compressiveness which made for easy and firm seating in an unsized neck or lined notepad paper which gave me very good results in one rifle. I too adopted the dry wrapping, using a twisting between thumbs and forefingers to get the patch real tight and rolled over the base leaving a small 'eye'. I also used tail-les patches that seemed to work just fine.

    Example of a dry wrap with rolled over tail. This works best with cheap printer paper.


    Recovered tail wrap - notepad paper folds rather than rolls over.


    I can't seem to find pics of cig paper patches. I did find a note saying a particular load with cig paper appears to be accurate. It was a 303 Brit loaded with a 245gr smooth side over 37gr H4350.
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    Found a pic of a loaded cig paper patch
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    I also found those curler papers that the girls use or did at one time for hair perms, worked very well

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    Perm papers for bullet

    Quote Originally Posted by brstevns View Post
    I also found those curler papers that the girls use or did at one time for hair perms, worked very well
    I rushed out to a beauty store and probably paid too much for enough wrappings for ten million billion bullets. Perm papers: https://www.amazon.com/perm-end-pape...erm+end+papers

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelsonted1 View Post
    I rushed out to a beauty store and probably paid too much for enough wrappings for ten million billion bullets. Perm papers: https://www.amazon.com/perm-end-pape...erm+end+papers
    That there is plain funny. I gotta start paper patching.

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    I used them to patch for a 7mm Rolling Block with a over size bore. They really helped.

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