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Thread: Alox 350 has been Discontinued

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    Alox 350 has been Discontinued

    I just got an email from the sales dept. at Luberizol.
    Alox 350 has been deemed obsolete and is no longer for sale effective immediately.
    They do not have a replacement.
    I still have some on hand that I can work with. I am going to see if they have any in stock that can still be ordered, but the email sounded pretty final.
    I know a bunch of you guys still use and like 50-50, I will see if I can come up with some replacement.

    FWIW
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    Is the 50-50 the only lube you sell that this affects?

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    will this affect the liquid alox?

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    It will not effect the liquid Alox or the 45-45-10

    We use Alox 350 in our 50-50, BAC, 2500+ and BP-01 black powder lube.
    I still have about 1/2 a drum of it on hand, so this will keep us going for a little while.
    I am searching for any distrubutors that may still have some in stock.
    Luberizol has said that they don't have any in stock and will not make anymore.

    Our Alox free lubes are Commercial Grade 190, Commercial Grade 160, Carnauba Red, Carnauba Blue and BPCR Supreme.

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    Curious but is your 50-50 the same thing as the Lyman Alox lube?

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    I'm not exactly sure what Lyman puts in their Alox lube, but it should be very similar.
    The NRA 50-50 lube is 50% Beeswax 50% Alox 2138F
    Alox 2138F has not been availible for many years. The replacement was Alox 350.
    Alox 350 needs 6-7% micro wax added to approximate Alox 2138F.
    My 50-50 lube uses Alox 350 with some microwax and beeswax. It ends up being slightly stiffer than Javalina and works great.

    I'm working with Luberizol to see if they have another Alox product that will give the same lubrication properties as Alox 350. I've asked for samples, when they arrive I'll start by mixing some small batches of lube, then testing will begin to see how it performs in pistols and rifles, pan lubes, and runs though a lubersizer. Then adjust the ingredients and try it all again.....

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    FWIW; When I first read the title, I thought of posting "Just go to White Label Lubes". https://lsstuff.com/ Then I saw the name of the OP. OOPS!
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    How dose the 45-45-10 compare to your 50-50? Getting a rough idea what I wana order up from you to replace my Lyman Alox lube supply,

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    lar45,

    Do you know which micro wax can be added to Xlox 350 to approximate the Alox 2138F. I have used Xlox 350 50/50 by weight with bees wax and it worked just fine though it does seem a bit soft.

    Thanks,

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    I used Javalina for 4 decades. The last lube I bought was from Glenn, best on the earth. I did have to buy a lube-sizer heater but dang, good stuff. I will be following this progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyanJames170 View Post
    How dose the 45-45-10 compare to your 50-50? Getting a rough idea what I wana order up from you to replace my Lyman Alox lube supply,
    The 45-45-10 is a liquid tumble lube that works great. I use a cool whip plastic tub, put a couple of handfuls of bullets in, drizzle some lube over the top, put the lid on and swirl around until they are all coated. Then pour them out onto some wax paper to dry overnight. It seems to be good to around 1500fps in rifles. Some people have pushed it faster, but that the limit that I've done. I use it for mass plinking ammo so I don't have to spend as much time on the lube/sizer.

    The 50-50 comes in either 1# blocks for pan lubing, or 1x4" round sticks in solid and hollow for the lube/sizers.

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    JCherry, there is a very wide range of micro waxes out there. Micro 143 from Genwax.com seems to work as well as any. Alox 350 is thinner and makes a softer lube, so add the micro wax, that should stiffen it up.

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    Lar what I was thinking about was not the 45-45-20 but the Xlox 2500 plus lube,

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdi View Post
    FWIW; When I first read the title, I thought of posting "Just go to White Label Lubes". https://lsstuff.com/ Then I saw the name of the OP. OOPS!
    Gotta admit, that was my first thought and then I saw who posted...

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    Glad the 45/45/10 is ok. That is good stuff. Works or dries faster than straight Lee alox

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    Lar45,

    I checked that site and all they list is Micro 175 and Micro 195. Would either of those work?

    Thanks,

    JCherry

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    They used to have a 143. I'd try to find one with a melt temp similar to BeesWax, which is around 140ish, I believe.
    Here's another source.

    https://blendedwaxes.com/product/microcrystalline-wax/

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    I have no idea what Alox is/was used for in industry.
    As a component of bullet lube I’m sure was never a designed intent, just a product with lubricating properties that could me exploited in a niche market.

    If Lubrizol stopped production of this chemicals it would only be for financial reasons.
    Industries need for the product has vanished or another product can do what Alox did better and cheaper.
    It remains to be discovered what product industry has replaced Alox with and if it can be utilized as a bullet lube component without modification or easily modified to adapt it to bullet lube.
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    Alox was a rust preventative that was sprayed to coat the bare steel so it would not rust. It was also used as a undercoating on cars.

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    So Alox was a sort of cosmoline?

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