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Thread: Anyone try the new Graf & Sons BP?

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    Boolit Master
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    May 2012
    Outside Rolla, Missouri
    Quote Originally Posted by John Boy View Post
    And BTW, the best Goex FFg ever produced and now discontinued was Goex Cartridge. Shot over 2 cases in BPCR reloads
    John Boy, that entire post was enlightening but this sentence particularly caught my attention. I have to agree 100% and refine that even further by saying the first lot was the best of the Cartridge.

    I have had excellent results with OE in small cases, 25-20 in a re-chambered Rook Rifle and 44-40 in an Uberti '73 rifle. Along with paper patching the bullet, OE also gave good results in my old Reilly 500 BPE. Something I couldn't achieve with any other powder, including Swiss, without duplexing.
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    Somers, Montana, a quaint little drinking village,with a severe hunting and fishing problem.
    I've been told this guy has powder cheap when bought bulk.

    BEAR RIVER POWDER Black Powder available in all granulations Pinnacle Powder Black Dawge Cartridges Muzzleloading Supplies Craig Kirkland-GOEX Master Distributor P.O. Box 2853-Evanston, WY 82931 (307) 679-0886
    The solid soft lead bullet is undoubtably the best and most satisfactory expanding bullet that has ever been designed. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. With the metal base that is essential for velocities of 2000 f.s. and upwards to protect the naked base, these metal-based soft lead bullets are splendid.
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    Sep 2017
    Denver Metro Area
    I bought some of the Grafs 3F and have shot it. It shoots reasonably well for my purposes. I think Olde E is better and cleaner, but if you are plinking there is nothing wrong with the Grafs.
    When you care enough to send the very best, send an ounce of lead.

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    Sep 2010
    SW Florida
    Quote Originally Posted by RU shooter View Post
    Ok it's Goex powder but how and why is it cheaper than the regular red label Goex or are they phasing out the red label or OE brand ? Got to be a reason why it's cheaper ?
    Same reason as Winchester 231 and Hodgdon HP-38, same powder, same plant, same lot numbers, 231 cost more.
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    Mar 2005
    Thanks, brewer!

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check