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    Never know what you'll find

    My father in law was a gun guy and years ago, he left a bag of old cartridges when he passed away. I stored them away after a while and when I was revamping my loading facility, I opened the bag and gave the contents a closer look. There were several (10 or 12) 38 S&W rounds in the bag and since I have recently acquired a beautiful little Model 33 S&W in that caliber, I thought I would see just what these old rounds were loaded with. I knew that the 38 S&W was developed in the pre-smokeless yrs so I pulled a boolit and lo and behold, it had 10 grs of, what I believe is holy black. It fills the little case right up to the base of the .360 boolit which has a concave base. I am not going to shoot them in my gun but i am going to polish them a bit and put them in my display. Click image for larger version. 

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ID:	263124 The boolit in the pic weighs 143 grs and no lube is present or it may be a dry lube that I cant feel. Of course it is probably 100 yrs old too.
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    might as well show us the gun too !
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    Shape a small sample of it into a little trail & light it with a long match.
    It'll tell you pretty quick if its BP.
    It wasn't playing the blame game, finding fault, and complaining about every little thing that made America great.
    It was God, guns, and guts.


    OK folks. Enough of this idle chit-chat. This ain't your Grandma's sewing circle.
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ID:	263133 Here is the model 33. When I got it, I believe it was unfired-not un turned-but close. I just couldn't stand it I had to shoot it and I am glad I did. I bought 100 rnds of Mag Tech ammo and after about the 1st 50 rnds I knew that it would do better. I pulled the factory rounds and they measured .358, one reason they leaded like hell. I had a 158 gr Accurate mold that drops at .361, thankfully, and after pc'ing they shot like a dream in this little gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winger Ed. View Post
    Shape a small sample of it into a little trail & light it with a long match.
    It'll tell you pretty quick if its BP.
    I just poured it out but I am 99% sure it is black, looks like 3 or4 F
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    Quote Originally Posted by murf205 View Post
    I just poured it out but I am 99% sure it is black, looks like 3 or4 F
    Probably so. From the smokeless I've seen- it'd be hard to confuse it with BP.
    But there may be some out there that might try and trick ya.

    I'd have to shoot one or two just to see it.
    Last edited by Winger Ed.; 06-03-2020 at 09:28 PM.
    It wasn't playing the blame game, finding fault, and complaining about every little thing that made America great.
    It was God, guns, and guts.


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    Well.....I thought about it but decided against using 100yr old (or older) ammo in my little treasure find. Plus...my name is Murphy, you know. I wish they would have named that law after some one else!
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    Quote Originally Posted by murf205 View Post
    ...my name is Murphy, you know. I wish they would have named that law after some one else!
    I'm ashamed of myself for laughing at that.
    It wasn't playing the blame game, finding fault, and complaining about every little thing that made America great.
    It was God, guns, and guts.


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    Actually, when I was much younger, I lived up to that law like it was a duty. That manifested itself by my penchant for experimentation (read:trying stupid things). Thankfully, our creator blessed me with a long enough life and an adept enough memory to quell such activity or continue to get to know the staff in the local emergency room!
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    Hold my beer.
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    Beautiful ! Thanx
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    10 grains and 146 grain bullet was the standard load since 1876. I have a couple with my 1877 Baby Russian and an Ideal loading tool and mould.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murf205 View Post
    ...I wish they would have named that law after some one else!
    Just your luck I suppose...
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    You are probably right but....since I have reached a slightly more sage period, I realize, now, that Murphy's Law is the result of a lack of fore thought. I have subsequently learned to not use suspect ammo the way I have gleaned most things...the hard way. If it was a single action revolver I wouldn't hesitate to try some black powder loads but the cleaning process for my gun involves removing the cylinder(or for blk powder that's what I would do) and I have seen the yoke retaining screw buggered on more than a few S&W's from this process. It makes a good case for buying a well used gun.
    IT AINT what ya shoot--its how ya shoot it. NONE of us are as smart as ALL of us!

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