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    BP Pistol ID

    can anyone help me ID this BP Pistol , its a 31 cal pocket pistol , the only writing on the top strap is Jam Springfield mas. the cylinder has warner"s pat. 1852, no writing on the barrel, if anyone can help with the model and possible year it would be greatly appreciated
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    Not sure if they are related

    http://shipwrecklibrary.com/deadlands/revolving-rifles/

    James Warner of Springfield Armory was another one of Samuel Colt’s early competitors, and had been tinkering with different types of revolvers for nearly as long as his rival. When Colt’s patent was unexpectedly renewed in 1849, a frustrated Warner was forced to redesign his more recent firearms in order to avoid legal infringement. During this process, he experimented with several different types of revolver mechanisms. The result is a plethora of Warner rifles varying in length, caliber, and action type, from manually-rotated retractable cylinders to grooved cylinders designed to be mechanically indexed by a rear-mounted lever. There are Warner rifles with brass frames, carbines with etched cylinders, and even some models employing a pill-lock primer system similar to the Billinghurst rifle.
    2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

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    I have one in .28 caliber. James Warner Pocket Model.
    Mine is a Second Model first variation (.28 caliber, round barrel). There were only a few hundred of mine made.
    Yours is a Second Model, second variation (.31 caliber, round barrel). 9,000+ made.
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    Thank Guys I got this on a Trade the trigger spring needs repair but a nice pistol

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    that has been in the case for a rely long time as evidenced by the white fuzzy balls.BTW, it is rare to get one in the original case with a family crest / herald!! have you looked up the family crest? any how a very, very interesting piece none the less!

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    Should be a fun little gun to shoot.
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    Here's a case where rare does not equal valuable. There were 200-300 made in .28, and 9000+ of the .31s, but, according to Flaydermans, they're worth about the same.
    I messed with the spring in mine - it's still a work in progress.
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    Thanks , no I hadn't looked up the family Crest Yet, the trigger spring I think is the problem the hammer won't stay back when you pull it unless you bring the trigger foward , then the hammer will stay cocked till you pulled the trigger ,otherwish the trigger just stays toward the rear of the trigger guard
    Thanks copdills

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check